Anyone else get banned from the G8X section for making fun of its looks?

[RugbyBro]

Originally Posted by CT_M3

One way is to look outside of the Bay Area. I just did a 400 mi search and the prices got more reasonable. This place is a bubble!

Here: Nationwide search:

https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...&numRecords=25

Here's a good example of the hysteria (below). 4 owners, 100k miles, Non-ZCP, primer sprayed hood, no records outside of carfax, no guarantees of bearings or TAs... listing at $28k.

Pre-Covid this car would have been lucky to fetch something over $20k

https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...Type=spotlight

[CT_M3]

Don't disagree with the hysteria. I think as these influencers switch to another car (within 6 months to 1 year), the M cars will fall off the spotlight and the prices will deflate somewhat.

I'm cringing as the F8x is in the hands of some influencers and we're going to see more of the cars destroyed. =(

Originally Posted by RugbyBro

Here's a good example of the hysteria (below). 4 owners, 100k miles, Non-ZCP, primer sprayed hood, no records outside of carfax, no guarantees of bearings or TAs... listing at $28k.

Pre-Covid this car would have been lucky to fetch something over $20k

https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...Type=spotlight

[CT_M3]

P-car question: I was considering the 991 GTS at some point. What's with the centerlock wheels? I liked everything except that as it just makes it less practical when it came to changing tires/wheels.

I know its for racing, but since most of us don't have pit crews helping us change tires, what's the point except bragging rights and being way more impractical as you need specialized tools to work on the wheels.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Arcades

Hm.

It's nice to see what the Sport Design fins on the rear bumper look like in flat black. I like it. I don't know how I feel about mono-lug and those turbo wheels though. I like the alcantara on the doors, roof, etc.

It'll be interesting to see if there's a wheel option that isn't black and if I can get the AeroKit wing. If it's possible, I may ask if they can extend my discount to a GTS allocation. It might be a stretch though. If not, I'll be trying to source that short shifter, matte black front lip and matte black fins stat.

[ash4390]

Originally Posted by CT_M3

P-car question: I was considering the 991 GTS at some point. What's with the centerlock wheels? I liked everything except that as it just makes it less practical when it came to changing tires/wheels.

I know its for racing, but since most of us don't have pit crews helping us change tires, what's the point except bragging rights and being way more impractical as you need specialized tools to work on the wheels.

I'm going through that right now. Basically given in to the idea that I'll just have to get the dealer to swap tires on and off, a second set of center-locks for winter is cost prohibitive.

[swagon]

Originally Posted by CT_M3

P-car question: I was considering the 991 GTS at some point. What's with the centerlock wheels? I liked everything except that as it just makes it less practical when it came to changing tires/wheels.

I know its for racing, but since most of us don't have pit crews helping us change tires, what's the point except bragging rights and being way more impractical as you need specialized tools to work on the wheels.

They're just there for the looks and aura of a racing car. I see literally zero benefits.

You can DIY a wheel change at home, I would do it myself too and that's coming from a person in the tyre business - I just wouldn't trust a random shop with the wheel swap unless I know they've got experience. You gotta have someone (or a tool) to stand on the brakes to break the nut, clean the hub, lube it up, etc.

CanAutM3 will tell ya how he's planning to do it.

[alex2364]

The GTS configurator is up.

http://www.porsche-code.com/PNKUIVY0

[swagon]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

Sadly the regulations look to be killing all the fun for you guys in Europe.

Indeed they are. And you know what I am worried about more than diesel S6 Audis or V8-less AMGs?

That the EU has now put a rule into place that new passenger vehicles with a type approval from July 2022 must be equipped with Intelligent Speed Assistance system. Works on the basis of the existing SLI systems. By 2024, any new car on the market will have to have it, just like ESP, AEB, etc today.

There are four ways OEMs can choose to implement the system, but basically, it just will not want to allow you to go any faster than what the road sign says. Some cars already have it now, trucks have had 90-kph limiters for years and all Volvos have got an electronically-limited top speed of just 180 kph.

By law, there must be an on/off switch, too, but everyone just knows damn well it won't be too long before there is no button to turn it off...

We could talk about its actual impact on safety, I have my opinions on whether this actually is the right path towards safer roads... and we could even turn it into a philosophical discussion - I don't have the brains for any kind of deep talk - but it all looks like that we, at least here in Europe, are headed towards a dystopian future.

They really are trying to suck every bit of fun out of driving and other related parts of lives.

Mark my words: the day the crazy German Green Party or some other fucks ban the few remaining unrestricted parts of the Autobahn is the day we are officially doomed, forever.

[FormulaMMM]

Originally Posted by CT_M3

P-car question: I was considering the 991 GTS at some point. What's with the centerlock wheels? I liked everything except that as it just makes it less practical when it came to changing tires/wheels.

I know its for racing, but since most of us don't have pit crews helping us change tires, what's the point except bragging rights and being way more impractical as you need specialized tools to work on the wheels.

Pretty good read here: https://www.thedrive.com/cars-101/40...er-lock-wheels

Porsche has cited the rotating mass advantage:

The new 911 GT3 runs on onepiece, titanium-colored, 19-inch GT3 wheels. Taken directly from motorsport is the new central locking device with GT3 logo. The advantages over a conventional five-hole screwed fitting include better driving dynamics and performance thanks to fewer 'rotating masses' and, of course, faster wheel changes. A huge advantage – especially when racing.

I'm a paranoid, incapable mechanic. Won't touch them.

Also not a fan of the fact that no tire shop or standard dealer would be able to help with a tire repair/change if I'm in a tough spot.

Entire system has to be replaced after so many track miles. Believe my indy said rears at 6k track miles and something like $2k.

[cheveux]

you guys saw this?
https://www.whichcar.com.au/news/meg...72WOOVc6NLSP8A

[Tecnniqe]

Originally Posted by swagon

Indeed they are. And you know what I am worried about more than diesel S6 Audis or V8-less AMGs?

That the EU has now put a rule into place that new passenger vehicles with a type approval from July 2022 must be equipped with Intelligent Speed Assistance system. Works on the basis of the existing SLI systems. By 2024, any new car on the market will have to have it, just like ESP, AEB, etc today.

There are four ways OEMs can choose to implement the system, but basically, it just will not want to allow you to go any faster than what the road sign says. Some cars already have it now, trucks have had 90-kph limiters for years and all Volvos have got an electronically-limited top speed of just 180 kph.

By law, there must be an on/off switch, too, but everyone just knows damn well it won't be too long before there is no button to turn it off...

We could talk about its actual impact on safety, I have my opinions on whether this actually is the right path towards safer roads... and we could even turn it into a philosophical discussion - I don't have the brains for any kind of deep talk - but it all looks like that we, at least here in Europe, are headed towards a dystopian future.

They really are trying to suck every bit of fun out of driving and other related parts of lives.

Mark my words: the day the crazy German Green Party or some other fucks ban the few remaining unrestricted parts of the Autobahn is the day we are officially doomed, forever.

Hear hear!

I'm glad I've gotten to experience no limit autobahn at the very least.

Future is not so bright for us, crazy power hungry vegetables trying to tell everyone how to live their lives everywhere nowadays.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by CT_M3

P-car question: I was considering the 991 GTS at some point. What's with the centerlock wheels? I liked everything except that as it just makes it less practical when it came to changing tires/wheels.

I know its for racing, but since most of us don't have pit crews helping us change tires, what's the point except bragging rights and being way more impractical as you need specialized tools to work on the wheels.

Center locks are a no cost option on the GTS, you can still opt for two other style wheels with standard 5-lugs at no cost.

[Arcades]

Stop, we're going to make other people spend too much $$ lol

P.S. Freaken GTS builder is a disaster. There are things EVERYWHERE lol

P.P.S. Sedan_Clan there is an Aero Kit for the GTS lol and CF Roof... Good Luck!

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Arcades

Stop, we're going to make other people spend too much $$ lol

P.S. Freaken GTS builder is a disaster. There are things EVERYWHERE lol

P.P.S. Sedan_Clan there is an Aero Kit for the GTS lol and CF Roof... Good Luck!

Haha! I'm going to build one today and see what it comes out to.

[Darth One]

GTS getting dangerously close to the hp level of the GT3

[Arcades]

Originally Posted by Darth One

GTS getting dangerously close to the hp level of the GT3

Personally, the GTS is probably the best car for everyone mainly because it is the best built car outside of an actual GT car. It isn't as compromised as GT cars, you get comforts and things the GT cars don't get because they are stripped.

But as CanAutM3 mentioned, it is kind of like the BMW F8x CS/GTS cars vs the Regular/ZCP cars. You are missing things on those cars too but it isn't going to kill you not having them.

[minn19]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Center locks are a no cost option on the GTS, you can still opt for two other style wheels with standard 5-lugs at no cost.

Ooh I like the middle ones.

[minn19]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Haha! I'm going to build one today and see what it comes out to.

Mine got to 162 and I'm guessing I missed a couple of things so I'll call it 165.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by minn19

Mine got to 162 and I'm guessing I missed a couple of things so I'll call it 165.

I built one similar to my C2S and it tapped $160k. Ehhhhh! I can't hack it. Lol!

[Jockey]

I was able to control myself to $150k

[minn19]

Originally Posted by Jockey

I was able to control myself to $150k

Impressive, I honestly thought I was controlling myself at 160-165.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by minn19

Impressive, I honestly thought I was controlling myself at 160-165.

Same here!