Evolution of Speed S55 Intake Manifold

M4XS55 · 01-24-2021, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by E92inSG

purchased! awaiting delivery now

do you have any photos of your setup? I'm planning to do PI meth, and was examining photos of the location of meth bungs, it's looks like a pretty damn tight fit UNDER the manifold to place nozzles

I haven’t installed it yet. I got the 750 cc injectors to start. I still haven’t decided if I’m doing meth though.

M4XS55 · 01-24-2021, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by E92inSG

purchased! awaiting delivery now

do you have any photos of your setup? I'm planning to do PI meth, and was examining photos of the location of meth bungs, it's looks like a pretty damn tight fit UNDER the manifold to place nozzles

Here’s a few pics of the underside of my manifold with the meth bungs.

TopJimmy · 01-24-2021, 05:03 PM

How is the quality up inside the runners? Any chaff or rough spots left from casting?

M4XS55 · 01-24-2021, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by TopJimmy

How is the quality up inside the runners? Any chaff or rough spots left from casting?

The inside is rough like a medium grit sandpaper but nothing that would cause any flow issues in my opinion. The last few inches of each runner was polished up but the rest of the manifold has the sandpaper like texture. Here is a closer pic of inside the plenum.

E92inSG · 01-24-2021, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by M4XS55

Here’s a few pics of the underside of my manifold with the meth bungs.

That looks beautiful thanks for sharing!

I love that they included 5 extra bungs. Can use one of them to tap boost properly POST-THROTTLE.

I ordered mine in clear powdered. Will post pics when it arrives

x622 · 01-25-2021, 01:16 AM

I have one of these too. Got mine powdercoated. I wonder how it will perform. Chose this over the Fuel-It kits because I'm not spending that much money on something that literally just uses a spacer.

E92inSG · 01-25-2021, 06:11 AM

We need to see some installed pics!!!

TopJimmy · 01-25-2021, 07:17 AM

M4XS55
x622

Do you guys think this Snow meth rail kit would fit underneath the EoS manifold? I was thinking to remove the Snow spacer and plumb the nozzles right into the EOS? It looks like the hardlines are already in the shape we need.

I really wanted to add a mini check-valve on each port too... doubt that could fit. Might need the soft lines or braided to fit those inline.

M4XS55 · 01-25-2021, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by TopJimmy

M4XS55
x622

Do you guys think this Snow meth rail kit would fit underneath the EoS manifold? I was thinking to remove the Snow spacer and plumb the nozzles right into the EOS? It looks like the hardlines are already in the shape we need.

I really wanted to add a mini check-valve on each port too... doubt that could fit. Might need the soft lines or braided to fit those inline.

Great idea - visually I don’t see any reason the kit wouldn’t fit but my suggestion would be to ask EOS directly or some reputable shops that have run it. EOS took a while but they did finally respond to my inquiries. If you wouldn’t mind, let me know what you find as I love this idea and I may run it myself if compatible.

TopJimmy · 01-25-2021, 11:46 AM

I'll let you guys in on my port Meth research...
- Even though port Meth provides the most even distribution per port you still need to watch out for a clogged nozzle running a cylinder lean (when Meth is used for fueling). F80Paul prefers J pipe meth more for cooling IAT than adding power. If you are careful to check logs for any cylinders pulling timing, or fueling trims off, you can reduce port Meth risk before glory runs. Paul says run E with more PI volume to fuel, and spray J/CP to cool (with minor power add).
- One downside of spray meth is that the nozzle and tubing run dry from heat when not in-use, so you should account for that in my fuel rail idea. That's why I think to get a mini check valve installed right after each nozzle, so only the nozzle volume dries, and the rail and lines stay primed.
- The "Plan A" rail kit is pricey and has straight nozzle holders, which stick straight out so the rail may not clear the DME.
- My "Plans B and C" for closer fitment are the non-rail hardline 6-port add on kit (B), and the same kit with nylon lines (C). These seem to include the 90deg nozzle holders. Pix added below with part numbers.

No answer from EOS yet, either email or Instagram...

M4XS55 · 01-25-2021, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by TopJimmy

I'll let you guys in on my port Meth research...
- Even though port Meth provides the most even distribution per port you still need to watch out for a clogged nozzle running a cylinder lean (when Meth is used for fueling). F80Paul prefers J pipe meth more for cooling IAT than adding power. If you are careful to check logs for any cylinders pulling timing, or fueling trims off, you can reduce port Meth risk before glory runs. Paul says run E with more PI volume to fuel, and spray J/CP to cool (with minor power add).
- One downside of spray meth is that the nozzle and tubing run dry from heat when not in-use, so you should account for that in my fuel rail idea. That's why I think to get a mini check valve installed right after each nozzle, so only the nozzle volume dries, and the rail and lines stay primed.
- The "Plan A" rail kit is pricey and has straight nozzle holders, which stick straight out so the rail may not clear the DME.
- My "Plans B and C" for closer fitment are the non-rail hardline 6-port add on kit (B), and the same kit with nylon lines (C). These seem to include the 90deg nozzle holders. Pix added below with part numbers.

No answer from EOS yet, either email or Instagram...

Thanks and good info! I can see the DME clearance possibly being an issue. Still up in the air about Meth and if I want to go port vs j-pipe (Cary is my tuner).

Wanted_M · 01-25-2021, 04:39 PM

I had this filter installed in my previous car meth set up.https://www.aemelectronics.com/produ...jection-filter

Pump->filter->solenoid->check valves->nozzles, I never had a nozzle issue. I logged my car weekly and decided to clean meth nozzles every 6 months even if STFT were ok. Never had build up when I inspected/cleaned inline filter or nozzles but the AEM solenoid and check valves were another story for some strange reason I went thru a few.
I tried these and within a month they leaked by, cleaned put back in and leaked again within a short time and I removed them for good. Ended up blowing motor due to a leaky solenoid.
http://www.alcohol-injection.com/en/...eck-valve.html

Now I have an M but leery of using meth again lol. Call me chicken, I have scars hahaha.

TopJimmy · 01-25-2021, 05:28 PM

Wanted_M
I see your point of preventing particulate from coming down the lines, but Paul said the nozzle clog can also come from inside the intake runner. Some debris and buildup can come back from the valve area. That's why he likes J or CP bungs.

I would only run port Meth nozzles for the cooling factor, not for fueling. If doing Meth for fueling I would run it through the PI side.

Trevorstein · 01-25-2021, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by x622

I have one of these too. Got mine powdercoated. I wonder how it will perform. Chose this over the Fuel-It kits because I'm not spending that much money on something that literally just uses a spacer.

What are the (Kyalami?) orange pieces showing. Did you have these custom painted?

This looks Very Purty!

Would there be any sense in installing this even if your aren't going to be porting Meth?

… along with the new Vargas cover!

Just to get rid of all that plastic clogging our engine bays!

Shadow2 · 01-25-2021, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by TopJimmy

How is the quality up inside the runners? Any chaff or rough spots left from casting?

Needs a good Extrude Hone, although I'm sure flow isn't an issue anyway.

x622 · 01-26-2021, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Trevorstein

What are the (Kyalami?) orange pieces showing. Did you have these custom painted?

This looks Very Purty!

Would there be any sense in installing this even if your aren't going to be porting Meth?

… along with the new Vargas cover!

Just to get rid of all that plastic clogging our engine bays!

I do, I had it coated a custom color. You can't really see the intake manifold underneath the AWIC.

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Needs a good Extrude Hone, although I'm sure flow isn't an issue anyway.

You know you don't want a smooth surface and that this finish promotes greater laminar flow right?

E92inSG · 01-26-2021, 01:48 AM

Wow. The more I look at it, it’s gonna be really hard to route PI meth nozzles and lines UNDER that manifold. It looks super tight in there

TopJimmy · 01-26-2021, 08:55 AM

That's gonna be a tight enough plumbing job up top. The bottom would need a lot of playing to fit nozzles somewhere...maybe? This makes me lean towards PI over nozzles. Nozzle maintenance would require removing the whole manifold...

As for the airflow, and polished versus textured, our fuel doesn't touch the intake so no need for rough surfaces to maintain atomization unless you're doing bung meth in the J. Otherwise for DI/PI polished runners should give highest air flow. The head's intake ports should be textured to keep PI atomization, with the chamber and exhaust port highly polished to prevent buildup.

E92inSG · 01-26-2021, 09:56 AM

i feel like only something like this with really low profile nozzle holders would work.

run the nozzles in series, with the solenoid at one end. That would greatly reduce the total hose length required

I wouldn't worry about the nozzles farthest from the solenoid getting starved. all 6 should pressurize almost instantly at 200psi once the solenoid opens.

This is likely what I'll be doing with the EOS manifold for my setup

x622 · 01-26-2021, 04:12 PM

You'd have to measure it, but you could probably weld some additional bungs higher up above the PI and still have enough clearance. I don't have any pics of the underside, but it was tight with the DME

Trevorstein · 01-26-2021, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by x622

I do, I had it coated a custom color. You can't really see the intake manifold underneath the AWIC.

You know you don't want a smooth surface and that this finish promotes greater laminar flow right?

You really didn't answer my question but, Ok., you really can't see anything :-( !!

That bay is screaming for a "mosselmann" Oil therm.

x622 · 01-26-2021, 11:17 PM

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You really didn't answer my question but, Ok., you really can't see anything :-( !!

That bay is screaming for a "mosselmann" Oil therm.

Oh derp, I didn't see the question. I did it because I wasn't going to pay for a fuel-it kit which is literally just a spacer when I could get a whole manifold and built a better kit for less money.

I'm in AZ so I'm going to run it this year and see if I need that thermostat or not, but an upgraded setrab oil cooler is on my list.

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TopJimmy Major General 5457 Rep 5,151 Posts Drives: 2023 M3 Comp xDrive Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: Chester County, PA iTrader: (5)	M4XS55 x622 Do you guys think this Snow meth rail kit would fit underneath the EoS manifold? I was thinking to remove the Snow spacer and plumb the nozzles right into the EOS? It looks like the hardlines are already in the shape we need. I really wanted to add a mini check-valve on each port too... doubt that could fit. Might need the soft lines or braided to fit those inline. Attached Images __________________ '18 F80 Base 6MT \| '19 F82 Exec DCT \| '18 F82 Comp Exec DCT \| '23 G80cx
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TopJimmy Major General 5457 Rep 5,151 Posts Drives: 2023 M3 Comp xDrive Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: Chester County, PA iTrader: (5)	I'll let you guys in on my port Meth research... - Even though port Meth provides the most even distribution per port you still need to watch out for a clogged nozzle running a cylinder lean (when Meth is used for fueling). F80Paul prefers J pipe meth more for cooling IAT than adding power. If you are careful to check logs for any cylinders pulling timing, or fueling trims off, you can reduce port Meth risk before glory runs. Paul says run E with more PI volume to fuel, and spray J/CP to cool (with minor power add). - One downside of spray meth is that the nozzle and tubing run dry from heat when not in-use, so you should account for that in my fuel rail idea. That's why I think to get a mini check valve installed right after each nozzle, so only the nozzle volume dries, and the rail and lines stay primed. - The "Plan A" rail kit is pricey and has straight nozzle holders, which stick straight out so the rail may not clear the DME. - My "Plans B and C" for closer fitment are the non-rail hardline 6-port add on kit (B), and the same kit with nylon lines (C). These seem to include the 90deg nozzle holders. Pix added below with part numbers. No answer from EOS yet, either email or Instagram... Attached Images __________________ '18 F80 Base 6MT \| '19 F82 Exec DCT \| '18 F82 Comp Exec DCT \| '23 G80cx
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Wanted_M Captain 759 Rep 950 Posts Drives: Frozen Blue M4CS Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Norcal iTrader: (2)	I had this filter installed in my previous car meth set up.https://www.aemelectronics.com/produ...jection-filter Pump->filter->solenoid->check valves->nozzles, I never had a nozzle issue. I logged my car weekly and decided to clean meth nozzles every 6 months even if STFT were ok. Never had build up when I inspected/cleaned inline filter or nozzles but the AEM solenoid and check valves were another story for some strange reason I went thru a few. I tried these and within a month they leaked by, cleaned put back in and leaked again within a short time and I removed them for good. Ended up blowing motor due to a leaky solenoid. http://www.alcohol-injection.com/en/...eck-valve.html Now I have an M but leery of using meth again lol. Call me chicken, I have scars hahaha. __________________ M4CS Frozen Blue ARM DP's/Resonated Mid-pipe \| SPL links \| Hotchkis bars \| JRZ RS2/camber plates \| K&N \| Koyorad HX \| Powerflex purple \| Rouge \| Spiegler \| Speed Eng. snorkel \| Vargas CBC/hub \| Wagner IC \| xHP \| Xpel stealth ppf
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TopJimmy Major General 5457 Rep 5,151 Posts Drives: 2023 M3 Comp xDrive Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: Chester County, PA iTrader: (5)	Wanted_M I see your point of preventing particulate from coming down the lines, but Paul said the nozzle clog can also come from inside the intake runner. Some debris and buildup can come back from the valve area. That's why he likes J or CP bungs. I would only run port Meth nozzles for the cooling factor, not for fueling. If doing Meth for fueling I would run it through the PI side. __________________ '18 F80 Base 6MT \| '19 F82 Exec DCT \| '18 F82 Comp Exec DCT \| '23 G80cx
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TopJimmy Major General 5457 Rep 5,151 Posts Drives: 2023 M3 Comp xDrive Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: Chester County, PA iTrader: (5)	That's gonna be a tight enough plumbing job up top. The bottom would need a lot of playing to fit nozzles somewhere...maybe? This makes me lean towards PI over nozzles. Nozzle maintenance would require removing the whole manifold... As for the airflow, and polished versus textured, our fuel doesn't touch the intake so no need for rough surfaces to maintain atomization unless you're doing bung meth in the J. Otherwise for DI/PI polished runners should give highest air flow. The head's intake ports should be textured to keep PI atomization, with the chamber and exhaust port highly polished to prevent buildup. __________________ '18 F80 Base 6MT \| '19 F82 Exec DCT \| '18 F82 Comp Exec DCT \| '23 G80cx
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E92inSG Captain 553 Rep 815 Posts Drives: F80 M3 Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Asia iTrader: (1)	i feel like only something like this with really low profile nozzle holders would work. run the nozzles in series, with the solenoid at one end. That would greatly reduce the total hose length required I wouldn't worry about the nozzles farthest from the solenoid getting starved. all 6 should pressurize almost instantly at 200psi once the solenoid opens. This is likely what I'll be doing with the EOS manifold for my setup __________________ IG @f80_guy
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