MotorTrend Head 2 Head: 2015 BMW M4 vs 2016 Chevrolet Camaro SS

[dreamingat30fps]

Originally Posted by ChicagoM4

Hmm... I've had the opposite experience. Most BMW dealerships I walk into I am welcomed, free to roam alone, have a nice area to wait, nice loaners, blah blah... I've been to a few chevy dealerships and they treat me like a 15 year old kid as part of their jungle gym in there lol maybe I just hit a few bad ones

Yeah honestly I haven't been to a chevy dealer for service as I really only go to the cadillac dealer however my BMW dealer was just baaaaaad. You got a BMW loaner but they were filthy nasty. I once got one so disgusting I was like heeeeelll no! Infiniti on the other hand was awesome always got a pristine loaner, their free wash was excellent and if you were waiting for the car they had a whole like cafeteria in the waiting area and most of the stuff there was free. From sodas, sandwiches, popcorn for kids it was really nice.

[MonacoMurphy]

Wonder if the Comp Pack will change their minds?

[Jaymax85]

i really hate MT so i guess its mutual

[Die ///M Rakete]

Originally Posted by MonacoMurphy

Wonder if the Comp Pack will change their minds?

Can't spot a commercial when you see one bro? MT is not a non-profit organization.

[Matt_B]

Interestingly they liked it until Carlos Lago left.

[MonacoMurphy]

Originally Posted by Matt_B

Interestingly they liked it until Carlos Lago left.

Yea, bring back Carlos. I hate this new NOT FUNNY jason cumissa douche.

[Lev88]

Despite you like MT or not you cannot deny what they are saying. I like the m3 a lot, but everything they've said is sadly true.

[shu5892001]

Originally Posted by gthal

Based on their review... I don't think any of this would matter. They also said that if the Camaro were the same price, they would have picked it.

I can't say I agree with everything in the review. However, I can say that other manufacturers have caught up and, relative to US companies, have done so at a lower price point. This was pretty obvious to me with my C7 Corvette.

I wouldn't buy a Camaro for subjective reasons (styling mostly on the inside) but many people like it and, as shown here, if you like the styling there would be no real reason to choose the BMW unless you wanted the status of a badge. I'm hoping BMW responds to this with the next M3/4 and shuts up the critics Regardless, I love my M4 and am pretty happy with it.

well said

[FC4]

Did they say anything which was not true?

[Bluex]

This vid has been posted and discussed ad nauseum.....lol

MotorTrend Head 2 Head: 2015 BMW M4 vs 2016 Chevrolet Camaro SS

[Db750]

Damn they really, really laid into the M4 on that one.

[s0ul]

I don't give a shit about what anyone else says, I love my M4.

[mdemon]

M4 hates Motor Trend too!!

[Sahbatage]

I'm not delusional in thinking the M4 is the greatest car in the world.. but if all these magazines "hate" it so much.. why do they keep using it as a benchmark for all other sport/luxury cars?

there are certain stats you can't argue against, and the Camaro is a very capable car but to think these magazines don't benefit from praising an American car vs. a German counterpart would be naive

[G8rGrl]

Here is the video

[PhilH]

Originally Posted by damnitBobby

Pretty much everything they said in favor of the Camaro seemed perfectly valid.

I agree there are grains of truth in what they said. The GM Alpha platform chassis (ATS/Camaro) has come out on top of the F30/F80 in a few other comparison tests before. I can also see that in some ways the V8 Chevy engine is arguably more charismatic.

However, I would bet money that the differences between the two cars is overblown, as Lieberman is pretty much a known BMW hater. Remember that in a previous head to head of the M235i and the CLA45, the 2 Series was the obvious winner throughout the test, but instead of declaring it the winner, he trotted out the WRX at the end (he's a multiple WRX owner). This guy doesn't like BMWs and his opinions are spreading like a cancer at Motor Trend.

[DC-T]

Sorry I couldn't watch. Too long and two guys whining.

[Powaup]

Don't you hate it when magazines get their facts wrong. M4 base price: $65,700 even with destination it's $66,625 NOT $69,000. Now let's look at their claimed price as built of $81,045:
BASE MSRP$65,700
Sakhir Orange Metallic$550
Cloth/Leather combination Carbonstructure Anthracite/Black$0
Carbon Fiber Interior Trim with Black Chrome highlight$0
Lighting Package$1,900
19" Light Alloy Wheel Double-Spoke Style437 M with Mixed Performance Tires$1,200
M Carbon Ceramic Brakes$8,150
Manual Transmission$0
Enhanced USB and Bluetooth plus Smartphone Integration$350
Power rear sunshade$350
Destination & Handling:$995
Total MSRP as Built$79,195

I got my M4 for $66,880 ED MSRP (no negotiating) and besides CCBs my car has way more options than theirs, who the hell put your car together MT? lol

[doberzus]

Stop testing these cars with incompetent drivers, seriously.

First, it's a 6MT F82 and the way it cuts power off the line tells me the driver is just dumping the clutch with everything set in Sport+. It seems like traction is kicking in and slowing the car down. Second, stop comparing a FULLY loaded "$80k plus" M3/M4 and compare a bare bones one just like the Camaro.

Put it in Sport, leave the suspension and steering in Comfort, and MODULATE the throttle. They are testing in the fucking desert, and the tires should be warmed up. I am pretty sure these tests can be manipulated just like the Fifth Gear test of the RC-F vs. M4 and the M4 loses BAD to the RC-F.

"Yeah, our low optioned Camaro is such a great buy compared to this slow $80k dollar car". Stop adding technological options on a performance car and comparing it to a bare bones pony-car, then proceeding to complain about price.

Fortunately, BMW does not need to pay to advertise their car, hence everyone always benchmarks the M3/M4 against all these other performance cars.

[auf Deutsch]

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1067504

So panties don't get bunched too much, I direct you to this thread, specifically post #117 courtesy of myzmak where comparison results favor the M3/4 more than not.

This list should probably be updated to include a big fat loss for the M4 by the boys at MT.

[Naz24]

bearded guy looks like he drives an A4

[Obioban]

Originally Posted by PhilH

I agree there are grains of truth in what they said. The GM Alpha platform chassis (ATS/Camaro) has come out on top of the F30/F80 in a few other comparison tests before. I can also see that in some ways the V8 Chevy engine is arguably more charismatic.

However, I would bet money that the differences between the two cars is overblown, as Lieberman is pretty much a known BMW hater. Remember that in a previous head to head of the M235i and the CLA45, the 2 Series was the obvious winner throughout the test, but instead of declaring it the winner, he trotted out the WRX at the end (he's a multiple WRX owner). This guy doesn't like BMWs and his opinions are spreading like a cancer at Motor Trend.

The other guy in the video is (was) a huge BMW lover/fanboy. Owns multiple.