Dilemma: F10 M5 or F82 M4?

[catpat8000]

Originally Posted by Chipped B6

Now hear me out:
The M4 will be the better (by a little bit) looking car.
It will handle better.
Better on gas.
More fun to throw around.

Now that we have that out of the way.
I'm debating between placing an order now, for March Delivery for an F10 M5 or take the chance with the new M4 and hope to get in before summer is over.

The lease rates for a F10 M5 this month are 59% for 36 months.. that's unheard of in the M car world. Payments wise, the M5 might come out cheaper than the M4.

The M5 has ZCP and is already facelifted (LCI)...
The M4 is getting this treatment next year I suppose correct?

So it's either go with the most updated F10 M5 powerhouse for a great deal, or get the new sleek amazing M4 knowing that they are going to update it next year but it will be the new thing!?

My logic here does sound one-sided for the M5, but I fell in the love with the M4 as well!

Ugh.

Rather than encourage you one way or another, I'd strongly suggest you find a way to drive an M5 for a day before you decide. Since you own an M3, you know what that car is like. The M4 will be the same only more so.

The M5 will be very different and you may like it but you may not. Recently I thought I wanted an M5 and I did two test drives and then spent a weekend with one (thanks to a generous buddy). I concluded I did not want an M5. It's not like a bigger, faster M3 - it's more like a stiffer, faster 535. Some folks like it, some don't.

Pat

P.S. I just saw you are getting a 2015 GT3. In that case, why bother with either an M5 or an M4?

[pkimM3r]

Originally Posted by Chipped B6

Now hear me out:
The M4 will be the better (by a little bit) looking car.
It will handle better.
Better on gas.
More fun to throw around.

Now that we have that out of the way.
I'm debating between placing an order now, for March Delivery for an F10 M5 or take the chance with the new M4 and hope to get in before summer is over.

The lease rates for a F10 M5 this month are 59% for 36 months.. that's unheard of in the M car world. Payments wise, the M5 might come out cheaper than the M4.

The M5 has ZCP and is already facelifted (LCI)...
The M4 is getting this treatment next year I suppose correct?

So it's either go with the most updated F10 M5 powerhouse for a great deal, or get the new sleek amazing M4 knowing that they are going to update it next year but it will be the new thing!?

My logic here does sound one-sided for the M5, but I fell in the love with the M4 as well!

Ugh.

Lease the M5 now for a great deal, then lease the M4 later when it will be all sorted out by then with possibly a facelift and comp package and more standard options.

[solstice]

My 2c, get the car you like to drive the most not the car that is the best "deal". 3 years is a long time to second guess your choice.

Which one would I personally not get?
Hint: +1000 lbs ( typical weight of a grand piano ).



Is that Santorini blue?

[Falafel Combo]

This thread.

[LDSM]

go for the M5

[yemenmocha]

Originally Posted by Yay-Z

I would get the M5 and let the bugs work itself out on the M4. With all the new technology they put into it I would be worried about some flap, turbo or new lightweight transmission going to crap.

[basscadet]

If the M5 wasn't a boring-ass luxo-barge built on the same chassis as the 7 series I would say GO FOR IT. The M5 is going to be so much faster than an M4 it is going to be a running joke on these forums for years, just as the last generation.

[MistaVauros]

Rule of thumb: NEVER buy first model year cars!

No one cares about the COOL factor of owning a first model year car. As a matter of fact, most people will question why you didn't wait until at least the second or third model year.

Don't be that guy!

[FogCityM3]

If the M3/M4 delivers a driving experience like the e9x M3, don't know how it cannot cannibalize M5/6 sales, as the rear seating has considerably more room now and interior looks nicer.

[templarklimek]

If you are considering the M4 COUPE why not the M6 coupe? I went from an E92 M3 to M6 coupe. While the M6 is heavy, it doesn't feel like it and you still get a V8 motor.

The interior is where the M6 really shines though. It appears though the M4 interior will be just as nice with the right options.

[visualguy]

Originally Posted by templarklimek

If you are considering the M4 COUPE why not the M6 coupe? I went from an E92 M3 to M6 coupe. While the M6 is heavy, it doesn't feel like it and you still get a V8 motor.

It's way too big - a width of 75.6 inches which is wider than many SUVs (it also weighs more than many SUVs), and a length of 192.8 inches. A deadly combination for parking maneuvers.

When looking at pictures, I didn't realize just how huge this car is. It's way too large for a coupe.

[///M ARMY]

Get the M4 now and when the AWD M5 comes out get that.

[Ezio]

Originally Posted by VAUROS

Rule of thumb: NEVER buy first model year cars!

No one cares about the COOL factor of owning a first model year car. As a matter of fact, most people will question why you didn't wait until at least the second or third model year.

Don't be that guy!

i am pretty sure the high school kids will care. thats got to count for something right ?

[Sam335ix]

Here is where I am, 2013 M5 with 5k miles is going for 80k now... New m3/m4 will be mid 70s. I am thinking of getting a used M5 and then wait for tr M3 pricing to get better in a few years.

[cambit]

once you break the $100k threshold, you have to weigh in other cars that make it extremely difficult to justify an M5. Me personally, if it were my money I'd get used Ferrari F430 Scuderia, or 991

[Black Gold]

Originally Posted by I am Earl

The problem with an M5 is there is no way a sane person will keep it after the lease is over. Maintenance is a total nightmare, upkeep costs are extremely high (like tires or wheels), and with any sort of good residual, you are going to pay so much for a car that is worth half of that. A member of the M5 forum here was trading in his E60 M5 that was fully loaded, he was being offered 32k! Can you believe that? 32k! My M3 sedan is worth 47k right now! Talk about depreciation. Whereas with an M4, if you wanted to, you could keep it. You could lose 1-2k here and there (or make 1-2k here and there) and still keep your monthly payments the same and keep driving the same car.

With these increased prices, I think BMW has shot themselves in the foot really. I heard from 2 dealerships now the M5 sales have tanked which is why they are trying to sell them 15-20k below MSRP (even can't get people to buy them).

Really?

1) how is upkeep a nightmare compared to the current m3 or even the new m3? they both eat tires and brakes, and they both have those items covered under the normal maintenance warranty. the m5 also gets better gas mileage than the e9x m3. Also, the m3 and prior gen m5 had constant spark plug change intervals, diff fluids, etc to worry about.

2) The prior gen m5 has relatively bad value on the open market because of the issues with SMG and to a slightly lesser degree, the s85. Even then, neither then m5 or the m3 are the pinnacle of resale values. That said, the m5 does seem to be sinking in value quickly, and used prices are attractive.

3) Your trade in "comparison" is also meaningless. If you have a 2011, its impossible for the m5 to be of the same year. Also, whats the mileage between the two cars? Did you get a trade in quote from the same place? Did he have any wrecks? Whats the service history? IE the comparison is NOT apples to apples and proves little to nothing.

4) BMW actually priced the f10 m5 nearly exactly the same as the prior e60 m5. So not sure what you mean by "increased pricing"

The used prices are attractive on the m5, but it just depends on whether you are looking for a big cruiser or a sportier car you can take to the track. For just day to day cruising and highway trips, I think the big torque and extremely nice interior of the m5 combined with the attractive pricing on 2013 models makes it a compelling option.

[Sam335ix]

I think leasing is the way to go, these cars lose value very quickly and best way not to be stuck with a car... Yes all cars are a bad investment but I don't keep cars more than 3 to 4 years. The problem is I can lease a used m5... At 80k, what will be the price of a 2013 M5 if I decided to sell it and buy a used 2015 M3? I guess we all can't have our cake and eat it too lol

[EuroTrip]

It really depends how patient you really are. Unfortunately, the M5 really let a lot of people down...you can see that from the pitiful sales numbers. And the competition package is a joke...heavier non-forged wheels? Really?

I think as shown in a previous thread that the M4 won't be as popular as people think...the M3 will be the hot item at the dealership. If you can wait until August, I am certain you can get an M4 for $1000 over invoice and lease it for mid $900s a month. TBH, I think you'll probably like your 2011 more than the M4 at the end of the day.

The M5 isn't exciting to anybody anymore...its a fat turd that should have an AMG badge on the back of it. Its a cool car, dont get me wrong, but it just shows the Benzifying that BMW has been doing for the past 5 years. Wow, cool its fast on the freeway...but a 2001 M3 will smoke your ass on a track.

Wait til August if you want a new M deal. The M4 will be just like the M5/6 and age 150 days on showroom.

Originally Posted by Chipped B6

Now hear me out:
The M4 will be the better (by a little bit) looking car.
It will handle better.
Better on gas.
More fun to throw around.

Now that we have that out of the way.
I'm debating between placing an order now, for March Delivery for an F10 M5 or take the chance with the new M4 and hope to get in before summer is over.

The lease rates for a F10 M5 this month are 59% for 36 months.. that's unheard of in the M car world. Payments wise, the M5 might come out cheaper than the M4.

The M5 has ZCP and is already facelifted (LCI)...
The M4 is getting this treatment next year I suppose correct?

So it's either go with the most updated F10 M5 powerhouse for a great deal, or get the new sleek amazing M4 knowing that they are going to update it next year but it will be the new thing!?

My logic here does sound one-sided for the M5, but I fell in the love with the M4 as well!

Ugh.

[angelc5]

Originally Posted by templarklimek

If you are considering the M4 COUPE why not the M6 coupe? I went from an E92 M3 to M6 coupe. While the M6 is heavy, it doesn't feel like it and you still get a V8 motor.

The interior is where the M6 really shines though. It appears though the M4 interior will be just as nice with the right options.

Nice what color is that? yellow side markers needs to go.