Video: BMW M3 vs C63 S AMG comparison review | evo DEADLY RIVALS

[polly]

I owned the f80 as well. I never race my cars, I enjoy my cars. Here are a few reasons why I chose the 63.
I ALREADY have led rear lights, I don't have to wait for a lci.
I have electric steering, so when I jump out the steering moves out of the way and after my wife drives my steering also comes back to my setting.
I have anchor points on my roof.
I drive a lot using distronic plus with steering assist, what a pleasure especially in traffic.
My blind spot and lane change are ACTIVE.
My burmeister sound system makes hk sound like it has no amps connected to it.
My interior looks like a million dollars (and that's were I spend all my time btw).
I can hardly hear any tyre roar like the f80.
Last but certainly not least is the v8 that's in front of me and the noise it makes. I have no false sounds coming out of my speakers
Oh and here's another pic of that v8 masterpiece.

[gthal]

Originally Posted by polly

I owned the f80 as well. I never race my cars, I enjoy my cars. Here are a few reasons why I chose the 63.
I ALREADY have led rear lights, I don't have to wait for a lci.
I have electric steering, so when I jump out the steering moves out of the way and after my wife drives my steering also comes back to my setting.
I have anchor points on my roof.
I drive a lot using distronic plus with steering assist, what a pleasure especially in traffic.
My blind spot and lane change are ACTIVE.
My burmeister sound system makes hk sound like it has no amps connected to it.
My interior looks like a million dollars (and that's were I spend all my time btw).
I can hardly hear any tyre roar like the f80.
Last but certainly not least is the v8 that's in front of me and the noise it makes. I have no false sounds coming out of my speakers
Oh and here's another pic of that v8 masterpiece.

All great reasons for you... very few relate to performance and those characteristics are very important to many others.

Some don't care about LED rears, how their wives react to the steering, whether the blind spot warning is active, etc, etc. Great to have choice but, other than the engine, none of your reasons would matter to me in the least

[M3SSY]

Germans doing what they do best! both awesome!

[Neil McRae]

one half of germany is down the pub celebrating, the other half down the pub commiserating. The world cup of cars has been won and the cup is going to Munich - rejoice rejoice rejoice

[dkhm3]

Originally Posted by polly

I owned the f80 as well. I never race my cars, I enjoy my cars. Here are a few reasons why I chose the 63.
I ALREADY have led rear lights, I don't have to wait for a lci.
I have electric steering, so when I jump out the steering moves out of the way and after my wife drives my steering also comes back to my setting.
I have anchor points on my roof.
I drive a lot using distronic plus with steering assist, what a pleasure especially in traffic.
My blind spot and lane change are ACTIVE.
My burmeister sound system makes hk sound like it has no amps connected to it.
My interior looks like a million dollars (and that's were I spend all my time btw).
I can hardly hear any tyre roar like the f80.
Last but certainly not least is the v8 that's in front of me and the noise it makes. I have no false sounds coming out of my speakers
Oh and here's another pic of that v8 masterpiece.

to each their own, but your list is wow. not making any sense to me.

[clemsonkev]

need c450 vs 340i comparo for those of us with kids who don't track their rides

[SaMaster14]

Originally Posted by SaMaster14

Considering pricing information at the beginning of the video (I haven't watched the whole thing, so I don't know the outcome as I'm posting this), but shouldn't the non-S model of the C63 have been tested against the base M3?

Regardless, I will update my post once I finish watching. Thanks for sharing!

Just finished the video and I can't believe the M3 (non competition package) edged out the C63S by 7/10ths of a second. I wonder what it would do to the non-S base C63!

I still think the C63 is the more comfortable and luxurious daily with awesome straight line speed, but my M3 simply draws a smile on my face every time I start her up! I've also never been a fan of Mercedes gear boxes and steering, even if it is more comfortable and GT like.

I've yet to actually drive the new C63, but I'm sure it's a monster!

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by dkhm3

to each their own, but your list is wow. not making any sense to me.

Dude, he has anchor points on his roof...

This guy knows a performance car when sees one.

[F80NJM3]

Originally Posted by BlackJetE90

New Civic Type R did a 7:50

So? That was a pre production car. I was specifically talking about m3 vs c63s.

[amanuuh]

Originally Posted by dkhm3

Oh the reviewer owns the car? how do you know that?

that's a bit of a bias towards the M...

Yeah he has a M4. He said it in a previous review. That means he has a lot of experience in that car. I google searched him cause that was easier than finding the video.

[polly]

Originally Posted by gthal

All great reasons for you... very few relate to performance and those characteristics are very important to many others.

Some don't care about LED rears, how their wives react to the steering, whether the blind spot warning is active, etc, etc. Great to have choice but, other than the engine, none of your reasons would matter to me in the least

The reason I did not talk about performance is because I would not use all the performance offered in this car.
As far as led tail lights is concerned I think you will surprised how many members are disappointed that the f80 lacked them, especially if you ordered with led headlights.
If I am buying a million rand car, passive safety is much more important to me than how fast it can go around a track. I hope you never need to find that out yourself.

[SaMaster14]

Originally Posted by amanuuh

Yeah he has a M4. He said it in a previous review. That means he has a lot of experience in that car. I google searched him cause that was easier than finding the video.

I don't think the reviewer was the one driving the cars though...

When the track battle started, he mentioned someone else behind the wheel of the cars. Plus the M3 was right at the break in point at 1200 miles

[dkhm3]

Originally Posted by polly

The reason I did not talk about performance is because I would not use all the performance offered in this car.
As far as led tail lights is concerned I think you will surprised how many members are disappointed that the f80 lacked them, especially if you ordered with led headlights.
If I am buying a million rand car, passive safety is much more important to me than how fast it can go around a track. I hope you never need to find that out yourself.

summarizing your list, your priorities are:

LED lights
electrically adjustable steering
anchor points
traffic driving
sound system
interior
v8

sounds like you're in the wrong car-- you should have bought a S class.

[gthal]

Originally Posted by polly

The reason I did not talk about performance is because I would not use all the performance offered in this car.
As far as led tail lights is concerned I think you will surprised how many members are disappointed that the f80 lacked them, especially if you ordered with led headlights.
If I am buying a million rand car, passive safety is much more important to me than how fast it can go around a track. I hope you never need to find that out yourself.

If I wanted that stuff and never used the performance of my car, I would buy a regular C Class and pocket the difference Same applies to the M... if all I wanted was a safe, comfortable, entry level luxury car I'd but a 435 before the M4 and take a couple of trips to the south of France and Italy with the money I save.

My point is that your reasons for choosing the car are great for YOU but many people (especially folks here) don't place as much relevance on those things as you do. BMW and MB build their cars for different types of buyers IMO. It's OK to want a safe, fast, techno luxury cruiser... nothing wrong with that. I want a fun street car that can play with 911's at the track on weekends... the C63S won't be as suited in that world regardless of how amazing the car is on the street.

[Harry Da Hamster]

Originally Posted by dkhm3

I think this was talked about on anothe post awhile back... it was a honda driver with roll cage and different tires (r compound?) , and a pre production car which i think they did for marketing reasons.

Every press release i've read says it's the exact same as a production model except the air conditioning, front seat, and audio equipment has been removed but a roll cage was installed for safety and made up for the weight. To me that says tires are the same as production.

[polly]

Originally Posted by dkhm3

summarizing your list, your priorities are:

LED lights
electrically adjustable steering
anchor points
traffic driving
sound system
interior
v8

sounds like you're in the wrong car-- you should have bought a S class.

It's not my priority. I am
Just highlighting a few things that I think bmw should have added in there benchmark 3 series. You not buying a 320d.

[/// M sa]

Man that V8 in a c300 has everyone buzzing around here

[gthal]

Originally Posted by polly

It's not my priority. I am
Just highlighting a few things that I think bmw should have added in there benchmark 3 series. You not buying a 320d.

Here is where I disagree.

It's not BMW's priority nor is it the general priority of many owners if you ask me. That stuff adds weight and people who buy M3/4's generally value lower weight. People freak out with all of the gadgets the M has as is

There is a reason the C63S weighs over 4,000lbs with the pano roof. There is a different focus to the cars. Like I said before, for someone who wants a comfortable, luxurious, fast, techno car, the C63S will be a very, very attractive proposition!! Not everyone wants a baby S Class. I really like the new C63S and when they build one that looks decent (hopefully the coupe), I'll take another look at it for sure... ESPECIALLY, if they lower the weight, put a proper performance transmission in it and give it more mechanical grip. That would be a KILLER car.

[Never Convicted]

Originally Posted by polly

The reason I did not talk about performance is because I would not use all the performance offered in this car.
As far as led tail lights is concerned I think you will surprised how many members are disappointed that the f80 lacked them, especially if you ordered with led headlights.
If I am buying a million rand car, passive safety is much more important to me than how fast it can go around a track. I hope you never need to find that out yourself.

You should have saved yourself a few hundred thousand rand and got a C350. But I do worry every day that other drivers can make out my dim non-LED tail lights. The C63/S does seem to be passive everything, though.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by Kenu8187

I agree 100% it's more my praise of the CSL then it is my lack of enthusiasm for the M4 even with the extensive use of carbon fiber they really didn't cut down the weight all that much new safety standards and what have you is still not 500 pounds of mass. The M brand who simply become more diluted into a daily driver that is occasionally track ready. The CSL was an M car that 15 years later still has a very respectable TrackTime

Perhaps when BMW Uses the new CLAR architecture into the new M LCI with the competition package it will prove to be a little bit more capable.

Thing is, the base M4 is already a "CSL" of some sort.

On the E46, the top line 330i had a DIN weight of 1430kg. Making an M3 out of it (bigger engine, beefed up chassis, etc..) increased the weight of the M3 to 1495kg DIN. The CSL brought that weight back down to 1385kg through light weight technology, essentially 97% of the weight of a 330i.

Starting with the top line F32, the 435i at 1585kg DIN, BMW actually made the M4 lighter at 1497kg DIN. Essentially 94% of the weight of the 435i. Not too shabby IMO.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by Kenu8187

This is true but I also believe the M4 with the 752 lap time came with CCBs. If it didn't come with carbon ceramic's then it's a pretty decent time but if it did come with carbon ceramics that's a pretty hefty balancing point to the r comp tires

I doubt that the CCB offer a significant advantage over a single lap.

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by dkhm3

sounds like you're in the wrong car-- you should have bought a S class.

Maybe he doesn't want a car that big.