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If the stock N54 can hold 700+whp with turbo upgrades - what makes you think the S55 with upgraded internals, cooling, and fueling will be held at a lower ceiling? This is mechanically speaking of course.
We should expect a lag time of several months to a year post-release for the tuning company to find the ECU bottlenecks.
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11-06-2013, 10:12 AM | #24 |
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With little cost one can grab a N54 335 and tune it and easily hit 500whp with bolt ons. They're faster than most of the ESS V8 M3s with supercharger kits. Toss in a turbo upgrade and look at 600+whp territory without much effort. Short story, watch out for the tuned N54s. That's where it's at for bang for your buck power. Even a stock F80 may want to watch out for a the N55s once they get going with bolt ons. People are hitting 370whp without too much effort and that's without a good DCI or FMI. |
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I don't know how many times I have to say this, BMW does not care what type of performance aftermarket tuners get out of their cars. BMW does not change it's lineup over that. They are not going to make a 500 hp M3 because they are worried of anybody slapping a JB4 on one of their "lesser" cars to get to the same numbers of an M car. Besides, M cars have always been about the overall balance of their cars and not sheer HP/torque numbers. |
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11-06-2013, 12:55 PM | #28 | |
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Furthermore, improving the mileage on a limited production car won't really affect corporate efficiency numbers. And finally, developing a new engine costs a lot of dough. Why do that unless you have no other path forward. My guess is that some other factor played a large part - perhaps emissions? Perhaps something else? Pat |
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11-06-2013, 01:28 PM | #29 | |
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A few examples: http://www.pp-performance.de/Chiptun...r523i150kW.htm http://www.ds-motorsport.de/bmw-tuni...r/bmw-f10.html AC Schnitzer, Hartge etc choose to use a piggyback for other reasons than ECU encryption. Mapping of a generic piggyback is much easier than developing new software for the ECU. You retain the safety features of the stock ECU and it's also easier for European homologation because you can map the piggyback to only alter boost etc, outside the EU emissions test cycles. When going to TÜV that is much easier to test, because the stock BMW files are still in place and the car will pass emissions testing. With a software remap, there is always the risk of not meeting emissions requirements, requiring remapping and new testing (expensive). |
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11-06-2013, 01:44 PM | #30 | |
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I don't necessarily agree with you on all of this, but it's not these details that are really important in my opinion. At the end of the day it is corporate image that lays the path to fiscal success. The business case for the S65 just did not make it when you look at the picture BMW is trying to paint of themselves. A fully turbocharged engine line-up, whether it can technically be demonstrated as a more green solution or not, is what BMW deemed necessary for consistency in order to market themselves in such a way to maximize profitability. It is that simple.
It is the observed evolution of the company and indeed of the industry as a whole. And while I don't have proof either way, my guy tells me that automobiles are not getting cheaper to produce with these new trends. If costs are being cut as part sharing increases it is, by my thinking, in no small part to merely offset the continued tightening of regulations both in the areas of emissions/efficiency and safety. Quote:
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And they aren't arrogant enough to know that some bright spark out there has some great idea or angle or approach that they hadn't thought of. Intel is king in their world. Apart from profit. |
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HAHAH ok....that's why every new iteration of their m cars, there is pretty much complaining all across every board on these forums, but the general public loooooves it oh so much.
by your profit logic, it makes sense to cater to the 99% doesn't it? Last edited by pkimM3r; 11-06-2013 at 06:47 PM.. |
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What you're referring to is a different issue altogether. BMW paying attention to the 1% and BMW satisfying 100% of their customer base are two very different topics. Message boards comprise a very small percentage of actual owners. IF BMW didn't pay attention to the small niche buyers, cars like the manual transmission BMW M5's (..both E60 and F10) wouldn't be available. Wild & crazy Individual colors wouldn't be available. BMW listens!
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The N54 at the track just needs an upgraded oil cooler. Bigger intercooler helps too. |
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11-06-2013, 07:46 PM | #42 |
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So what's your question? Are you still worried that the competition might have higher hp engines? I didn't realize we were in a muscle car competition.
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11-06-2013, 09:49 PM | #43 |
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So Ferrari, Lamborghini, and McClaren are in a muscle car war?
The chances are very high I'm getting an F80. I just wish I didn't need to worry about beating Mustangs when at a stoplight. |
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11-06-2013, 10:25 PM | #44 | |
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you cant make 500whp with E85, meth and bolt ons you need upgraded turbos and meth and e85 to make 500whp a supercharged m3 will crush a bolt on 335 from a roll unless its at really high elevation
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