CSs won't hold value/be desirable over time because of DCT - do you agree?

[BMWsully]

Weird thread, but I'll bite. It will absolutely be worth more than any other M3/4 iteration other than the GTS. It's objectively "better" and more rare than any other version, so the only question is how much the premium will be. 1% 10% 20? Only time will tell.

*For context, I've owned a F80 MT, F80 with comp and MT and now a CS

[THEROK]

If 15-20 years from now I'm looking to get into an F8X again for ol times sake, for sure I'd whittle it down to an M4 CS or nothing. I want all the factory trimmings like the OLEDs, door cards, magnesium sump, CS dct/ediff/engine mapping etc. I mind the details and would certainly value it more than other models.

Having owned an E46 M3 since new, I never enjoyed the BMW manual shift feel even with the UUC DSSR. F8X is no better. In fact it's worse being physically bigger, markedly heavier, and mated to the same subpar trademark BMW rubbery action.

IMHO, the M4 CS is the ultimate expression of the F8X generation and the best looking M of all time. Pig grill or no pig grill, if the G8X was lighter, incrementally improved the DCT and was dimensionally no bigger than the F8X, I'd be singing a different tune.

[scoale]

Originally Posted by ellipsis212

Don't treat it like it's an E46 with SMG

Funny thing is, even those are $$ now

[2SNAILS]

I agree, 3 pedals or a bust!

[SunnyD]

BMW manuals suck in general

[nickl630]

the whole "save the manuals" thing has become cringe to me... like some justification of spending too much on a car or "im better than you".. its just overdone now.

You want to drive a stick? go for it, its your car. You want a DCT? be my guest.

Having said all that, its too early to tell how the CS will fair with depreciation. So far its followed the typical 30% drop after new to used that all bmw's do. Time will tell.

[Jim B]

Originally Posted by 2SNAILS

I agree, 3 pedals or a bust!

+1 Save the manuals!!

[Ricostrong60]

I just traded in f82 for CS. CS def will hold its value. Just look at the current market. 19 CS is selling for more than used 20 f82 comp

[786]

Originally Posted by SunnyD

BMW manuals suck in general

Agreed.

I don’t think lack of a manual will depress CS values, they simply made too many.

[IB M]

Originally Posted by 786

Agreed.

I don't think lack of a manual will depress CS values, they simply made too many.

Maybe - but only 607 in US and 1200 worldwide for one year run of 3CS. Find a clean E46 ZCP of which 2400 were made for the US and you will pay a premium.

We are still waiting for 4CS final stats.

[trendy26]

This post is ridiculous.... The limited production of the CS cars will help maintain value as there will always be a market for people who don't just want a run of the mill Competition Package. I find that those who don't have a CS, pretty much bash it. Sure, us owners may be a bit biased with our opinion of the future value, but keep in mind that a lot of us got huge discounts on the car, and are already in the money when it comes to equity in the car.

At the end of the day, nobody knows how the value will hold. Guess we'll wait and see!

[Maitre_Absolut]

Originally Posted by velvet_F82

I agree.

Personally, I went from a DCT M2C to a 6MT M4C. In my mind, the DCT is overrated, the 6MT gives you so much more.

If you ask me, the cars that are most likely to hold value in the long run are LCI F8x cars with Individual paint/interior and the 6MT. In Europe, they're already insanely rare. I for instance have the ONLY 6MT Heritage M4 in Europe.

so why are the M4 GTS (DCT) selling for a premium in Europe?

As evidenced with the E46 its not a manual vs SMG, they both are holding values well.

As for individual paint, these are not Porsche PTS with buyers hoping to out do one another with a more "exclusive" build. I dont see individual colours commanding much of a premium.

[trendy26]

Originally Posted by velvet_F82

I agree.

Personally, I went from a DCT M2C to a 6MT M4C. In my mind, the DCT is overrated, the 6MT gives you so much more.

If you ask me, the cars that are most likely to hold value in the long run are LCI F8x cars with Individual paint/interior and the 6MT. In Europe, they're already insanely rare. I for instance have the ONLY 6MT Heritage M4 in Europe.

I went from a Manual 6spd '17 M4 to a '19 M4CS. DCT definitely was not my preference, but overall the car is amazing in every way.

The Heritage Edition is indeed a sweet car, but all it really is is an individual color with a custom interior color. The fact that they didn't come with HUD and a couple other things, I honestly
doubt It'll hold value that much better than a regular Competition Model.....

We all have our opinions though, and only the future will determine who's right.....

[MisterF80M3]

Originally Posted by velvet_F82

Asking price is not a good gauge IMO. A lot of these dealers are asking insane prices for okay cars.

Give it time, the market is relatively new still. The oldest F8x cars are 6 years old. I'm looking forward to find out what happens in 5-10 years from now, once everything is banned, every BMW design is ruined, and everyone having EV's. F8x has a lot of potential IMO.

Potential for what? It's not like we have a 1M. F8X is a mass-produced car.

G80 with the S58 motor is basically an upgraded version of the S55 without the crank hub issue, more power, and an option for AWD.

[DML]

Originally Posted by trendy26

I went from a Manual 6spd '17 M4 to a '19 M4CS. DCT definitely was not my preference, but overall the car is amazing in every way.

The Heritage Edition is indeed a sweet car, but all it really is is an individual color with a custom interior color. The fact that they didn't come with HUD and a couple other things, I honestly
doubt It'll hold value that much better than a regular Competition Model.....

We all have our opinions though, and only the future will determine who's right.....

Had the choice between the "CS" and the "Heritage" chose the Heritage due to the fact it was close by from a local dealership, and Imola Red. Honestly your auto was a wise choice although content with mine. How's it working out as a daily? Wish I could of done a test drive as that might of helped.

[kyrix1st]

Originally Posted by MisterF80M3

Potential for what? It's not like we have a 1M. F8X is a mass-produced car.

G80 with the S58 motor is basically an upgraded version of the S55 without the crank hub issue, more power, and an option for AWD.

With 500+ lbs weight gain for AWD, no DCT, and the grilles.
No thanks! I will gladly take an F82 CS.

[trendy26]

Originally Posted by DML

Had the choice between the "CS" and the "Heritage" chose the Heritage due to the fact it was close by from a local dealership, and Imola Red. Honestly your auto was a wise choice although content with mine. How's it working out as a daily? Wish I could of done a test drive as that might of helped.

I have no complaints at all driving the CS as a daily. It's so much damn fun to be honest with you! I bought it sight unseen, never driving it before, and only having a tiny bit of experience with DCT as I've always been a Manual 6spd person. All in all, it's exceeded all of my expectations and I don't regret the purchase one bit

[MisterF80M3]

Originally Posted by kyrix1st

With 500+ lbs weight gain for AWD, no DCT, and the grilles.
No thanks! I will gladly take an F82 CS.

500 weight gain is negligible. X3m is an 11-second car stock and 10-second car with E30 tune and DP with a curb weight of 4600lb. Imagine the potential on G80, which is ~600lb lighter than the X3m.

I still wouldn't get a G80 but the G80 is faster, better engine, better tech, and a more advanced chassis. The only thing lacking is cosmetics. I'm sure there will be an aftermarket bumper/grilles.

[kyrix1st]

Originally Posted by MisterF80M3

500 weight gain is negligible. X3m is an 11-second car stock and 10-second car with E30 tune and DP with a curb weight of 4600lb. Imagine the potential on G80, which is ~600lb lighter than the X3m.

I still wouldn't get a G80 but the G80 is faster, better engine, better tech, and a more advanced chassis. The only thing lacking is cosmetics. I'm sure there will be an aftermarket bumper/grilles.

I am not interested in a dragster. M8 Comp is slower than M6 GC in Willow Springs due to weight, parasitic loss from AWD and slower transmission despite 65hp power increase. I am pretty certain given same tire compounds, F8x DCT will edge G8x ZF8.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by MisterF80M3

500 weight gain is negligible. X3m is an 11-second car stock and 10-second car with E30 tune and DP with a curb weight of 4600lb. Imagine the potential on G80, which is ~600lb lighter than the X3m.

I still wouldn't get a G80 but the G80 is faster, better engine, better tech, and a more advanced chassis. The only thing lacking is cosmetics. I'm sure there will be an aftermarket bumper/grilles.

Some of us have interests other than launching from a dig...

[fiveohwblow]

Originally Posted by kyrix1st

I am not interested in a dragster. M8 Comp is slower than M6 GC in Willow Springs due to weight, parasitic loss from AWD and slower transmission despite 65hp power increase. I am pretty certain given same tire compounds, F8x DCT will edge G8x ZF8.

This. Utilizing power to compensate for weight is only applicable in a single scenario. Compensating for that additional weight when inertia applied, suddenly you’ve many needs to compensate for. Transmission, diff, brakes and the list goes on. To my knowledge BMW isn’t the king of the drag strip and I wouldn’t purchase mine to be. The lighter, the better. Period.

[MisterF80M3]

Originally Posted by kyrix1st

I am not interested in a dragster. M8 Comp is slower than M6 GC in Willow Springs due to weight, parasitic loss from AWD and slower transmission despite 65hp power increase. I am pretty certain given same tire compounds, F8x DCT will edge G8x ZF8.

You know that the G80 comes in either AWD or RWD, right?

You are giving the F80 DCT too much credit. If you own one, you'll know that it is jerky and constantly get the kangaroo. I'm not the only one complaining about that.

My friend with an F90 M5 actually prefers the ZF8 over his F80 DCT.