Bend Calibration Intercooler Recommendations

[E92inSG]

Originally Posted by Wanted_M

Dang how come? I thought the EOS was supposed to be good IC.
@jmarcanom4 running it on his single turbo M4, that thing is a beast at 1085whp!!

Guess I’m a sucker for these independent reviews hahaha

[Banana_phone]

Wagner Tuning intercooler is on sale right now. Just picked mine up.

[TR930]

Originally Posted by Banana_phone

Wagner Tuning intercooler is on sale right now. Just picked mine up.

Me too, great price from Mike at Extreme!

[M3 SRRY]

hello all, I am new to the forum but have been doing my fair share of research prior to making an account

I had just recently seen a post on IG from europeanautosource on a TMIC install they just did with the Do88 Performance variant. any opinions and or knowledge on this unit? they have pictures of their own data logs as well.

thanks.

[hellokitty]

Originally Posted by M3 SRRY

hello all, I am new to the forum but have been doing my fair share of research prior to making an account

I had just recently seen a post on IG from europeanautosource on a TMIC install they just did with the Do88 Performance variant. any opinions and or knowledge on this unit? they have pictures of their own data logs as well.

thanks.

I think as long as the unit isn't made with Chinese cores, it should do better.

Wagner is made in Germany and Do88 appears to be made in Sweden.

[bigpaulkendall]

I see a few mentions on the mishimoto one, but after scouring the bend post and their Instagram I could not find a direct negative mention. Looking at one cut open it looks pretty similar to the wagner.

[hellokitty]

Originally Posted by bigpaulkendall

I see a few mentions on the mishimoto one, but after scouring the bend post and their Instagram I could not find a direct negative mention. Looking at one cut open it looks pretty similar to the wagner.

Here is the post.

[bigpaulkendall]

Haha that's why I couldn't find it, figured it was from actual testing and not a reply to a comment. I have not seen any third party actually test and compare the mishimoto to anything; although, I doubt this is the spot to try and rehash this debate. Haha

[hellokitty]

Originally Posted by bigpaulkendall

Haha that's why I couldn't find it, figured it was from actual testing and not a reply to a comment. I have not seen any third party actually test and compare the mishimoto to anything; although, I doubt this is the spot to try and rehash this debate. Haha

You could spend the money you would have spent on an Intercooler and get an interchiller instead hehe

[bigpaulkendall]

Originally Posted by hellokitty

You could spend the money you would have spent on an Intercooler and get an interchiller instead hehe

Yes! I have been eyeballing this for a while, was looking at how to integrate one before they offered a kit. I honestly just have the car for a few track days a year and some Sunday cruises. Interchiller goes a bit beyond what I want for a reliable toy. Haha would be pretty chill to have though!!

[heitzke]

Just got my Wagner piece in the mail yesterday (thanks mike@x-ph.com !) and looks great as expected. Weather has been absolute garbage here but hope to get to some wrenching this week.

[mike@x-ph.com]

Originally Posted by heitzke

Just got my Wagner piece in the mail yesterday (thanks mike@x-ph.com !) and looks great as expected. Weather has been absolute garbage here but hope to get to some wrenching this week.

Congrats

[Banana_phone]

Originally Posted by heitzke

Just got my Wagner piece in the mail yesterday (thanks mike@x-ph.com !) and looks great as expected. Weather has been absolute garbage here but hope to get to some wrenching this week.

Nice! Still waiting on mine from Wagner.

[JustAnothaM4]

Wagner has a crazy sale on their top mount at the moment at $1590!

https://www.wagner-tuning.com/produc...reorder-2.html

[slaughter.mode]

I really wanted a Wagner when I purchased a charge cooler but due to supply at the time I went with a Mishimoto unit. All I care is it doesn't leak and it lasts. My IATs with the Mishimoto unit dropped 10-15F (while driving) and my dynos were > or = my stock unit so I am ok with it. Warm/hot starts it is way worse than stock because of it's bulky and heavy design but it cools quickly once on the move.

It's good to know my original research pointed me to a data proven 'better' unit before this information was posted. It was the construction quality of the Wagner unit that had me sold, it looks like they gave a damn. Lots of units look like a kid welded it together.

[M2_MEDUSA]

These intercoolers are not really worth it, If you want low temps just get an Interchiller??

[Commanderwiggin]

Interchiller isn't worth it and a very bad idea.

[sly1types]

Originally Posted by Commanderwiggin

Interchiller isn't worth it and a very bad idea.

Why do you say that? Please elaborate

[theweebabySeamus]

Originally Posted by Commanderwiggin

Interchiller isn't worth it and a very bad idea.

At the very least, over hyped.

[Commanderwiggin]

Originally Posted by sly1types

Why do you say that? Please elaborate

So with a refridgeration system you're just performing work (compressor) to remove heat from a source(intake in this case) and move it to another source(condenser).

So let's say the compressor is staying engaged the whole time during idle/cruise...this is cooling your intercooler below ambient temps yes. Your intake air temps are low yes. Now when you go and do a pull, the compressor shuts off and stops cooling the intercooler (when you want it the most)...so you only get a short duration burst of cool air and the rise in intake temps is a much higher ramp rate than an optimum cooling solution.

Now also add this into the mix...all that heat you removed is just going to the front of the car, into your intakes, into your radiator/heat exchanger...if the AC condenser was at the rear of the car, ok this is not as bad...but still not ideal considering you're performing work on the car when you don't need to.

How about the concept of your inside air conditioning still working at the same time as the interchiller...well this is flawed as well because now your compressor has to do even more work to cool both your intake and your interior...this is a huge loss in efficiency with zero payback.

Then add in the extra wear on the compressor and risk of your cooling system going into limp mode (which I've personally seen on an upgraded turbo, built motor F80 at a race who was a personal friend that I tried spitballing ideas to fix this). Not worth the risk of this imo and you're reducing the reliability of the car as a whole.

First law of thermodynamics wins this one and so does the KISS method. If you want to win races, don't do an interchiller.

[Track/S]

Originally Posted by Commanderwiggin

So with a refridgeration system you're just performing work (compressor) to remove heat from a source(intake in this case) and move it to another source(condenser).

So let's say the compressor is staying engaged the whole time during idle/cruise...this is cooling your intercooler below ambient temps yes. Your intake air temps are low yes. Now when you go and do a pull, the compressor shuts off and stops cooling the intercooler (when you want it the most)...so you only get a short duration burst of cool air and the rise in intake temps is a much higher ramp rate than an optimum cooling solution.

Now also add this into the mix...all that heat you removed is just going to the front of the car, into your intakes, into your radiator/heat exchanger...if the AC condenser was at the rear of the car, ok this is not as bad...but still not ideal considering you're performing work on the car when you don't need to.

How about the concept of your inside air conditioning still working at the same time as the interchiller...well this is flawed as well because now your compressor has to do even more work to cool both your intake and your interior...this is a huge loss in efficiency with zero payback.

Then add in the extra wear on the compressor and risk of your cooling system going into limp mode (which I've personally seen on an upgraded turbo, built motor F80 at a race who was a personal friend that I tried spitballing ideas to fix this). Not worth the risk of this imo and you're reducing the reliability of the car as a whole.

First law of thermodynamics wins this one and so does the KISS method. If you want to win races, don't do an interchiller.

Now M2_MEDUSA will come and tell you have no idea, that he is going to mount it in his car because it is very good mod....

[M2_MEDUSA]

Originally Posted by Prodrive_X

Now M2_MEDUSA will come and tell you have no idea, that he is going to mount it in his car because it is very good mod....

No i will not because im not that deep in knowledge on an interchiller.

But we all know you like to spread false information regardless of your knowledge. Mr cs flash a locked dme lol