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      11-24-2020, 11:10 PM   #23
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Does anyone see the majors (Ford, GM, Toyota, Honda) engulfing and beating Tesla back into a niche brand in 10 years?

Serious question.

The majors know what it takes to put millions of reasonable quality cars on the road every year, and have the factory infrastructure and labor force to do it.
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Does anyone see the majors (Ford, GM, Toyota, Honda) engulfing and beating Tesla back into a niche brand in 10 years?

Serious question.

The majors know what it takes to put millions of reasonable quality cars on the road every year, and have the factory infrastructure and labor force to do it.
I don't see it happening for some time, although I'm really surprised that the domestics are more ahead in EV's than the Japanese. The new Mach-E and Hummer look really nice. Toyota and Honda sadly have their very stubborn management who refuse any change, pretty sad for Toyota especially, a company who revolutionized the hybrid with the Prius, and now, its the number one traded in vehicle for the Model 3.
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Does anyone see the majors (Ford, GM, Toyota, Honda) engulfing and beating Tesla back into a niche brand in 10 years?

Serious question.

The majors know what it takes to put millions of reasonable quality cars on the road every year, and have the factory infrastructure and labor force to do it.
I donít see if happening either. Until one of the majors decides to make a ďnormalĒ EV its not going to happen.

Donít know why they have to make the exteriors so ugly and the same with the interiors. Tesla has a cult following in various circles for various reasons and are selling in decent numbers.

If letís say Honda came out with a full electric Civic or Accord that looks identical inside and out to the gasoline version with a 300-400 mile range it would sell.

Personally we were considering an EV for my wife 2 years ago.
Tesla 3 - she didnít like the styling, liked how it drove
Chevy Bolt - ugly inside and out, didnít like the drive
Nissan Leaf - meh styling and okay drive
BMW i3 - didnít like the styling but liked the drive
VW eGolf - liked the styling, looked like a ďnormal carĒ liked the drive and range met her needs, however 6-9 month wait to get one. Doesnít work when you have a couple days to find a new car when your car was totalled in a collision.

We are at the point of considering a new car for her again and still, not many better EV options.
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Little confused here... the DCT only comes at this point in 1, maybe 2 vehicles... M2C and whatever M4 is left over from LY.

As far as I am concerned, those transmissions are bulletproof and they literally the least complained about part in those cars... who are they talking to here or is that a general comment?

The only other newcomers with DCTs that I can think of right now... are the Koreans with Hyundai.
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Little confused here... the DCT only comes at this point in 1, maybe 2 vehicles... M2C and whatever M4 is left over from LY.

As far as I am concerned, those transmissions are bulletproof and they literally the least complained about part in those cars... who are they talking to here or is that a general comment?

The only other newcomers with DCTs that I can think of right now... are the Koreans with Hyundai.
VAG has used them in more vehicles than anyone but they are slowly moving away using the ZF8 in more vehicles like BMW.
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Does anyone see the majors (Ford, GM, Toyota, Honda) engulfing and beating Tesla back into a niche brand in 10 years?

Serious question.

The majors know what it takes to put millions of reasonable quality cars on the road every year, and have the factory infrastructure and labor force to do it.
I don't see Tesla lasting long if Toyota, Honda and VW get serious. The ID3 is already eating up sales in Europe.

I guess there is a market for lower costs, higher quality electric cars that look like normal cars.
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