proTUNING Freaks
BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Go Back   BMW M3 and BMW M4 Forum > BMW F80 M3 / F82 M4 Technical Topics > Engine / Drivetrain / Exhaust / Bolt-ons / Tuning

Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      01-27-2014, 02:58 PM   #67
007_e350
Lieutenant Colonel
007_e350's Avatar
United_States
217
Rep
1,909
Posts

Drives: 335i 2008 MHD'd / x5d E70
Join Date: May 2013
Location: left lane

iTrader: (3)

Come on guys 40 - 60 from 50 - 50 isn't that much of a "leap forward" ... If anything I'm thinking the turbo to be variable turbine geometry like the 911 turbo has which could open up some tuning platforms to make it a ROCKET
Appreciate 0
      01-27-2014, 03:02 PM   #68
DieGrüneHölle
Colonel
1309
Rep
2,787
Posts

Drives: M
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: bmw

iTrader: (0)

I am afraid of the amount of hype M3/M4 is getting.
Appreciate 2
      01-27-2014, 03:05 PM   #69
Boss330
Major General
Boss330's Avatar
No_Country
1712
Rep
5,108
Posts

Drives: BMW
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Earth

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by bradleyland View Post
Having seen swamp2's contributions in other threads, I'm nearly positive that was just a transpositional error. He meant 60-rear, 40-front distribution.
Yes, you are probably right
Appreciate 0
      01-27-2014, 03:21 PM   #70
JoeFromPA
Colonel
1789
Rep
2,995
Posts

Drives: '15 AW M3 6MT Stripper
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: SE PA

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by 007_e350 View Post
Come on guys 40 - 60 from 50 - 50 isn't that much of a "leap forward" ... If anything I'm thinking the turbo to be variable turbine geometry like the 911 turbo has which could open up some tuning platforms to make it a ROCKET
As far as I know, two things:

1. Variable turbine geometry turbos are a PITA in many ways. I know, having two on one of my vehicles...

2. The m3/m4 does not have variable turbine geometry turbos.
Appreciate 0
      01-27-2014, 03:45 PM   #71
tlp
Colonel
United_States
276
Rep
2,216
Posts

Drives: 991 GT3, Sold:'11 e92 M3 SG/FR
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Las Vegas/SoCal

iTrader: (6)

Garage List
I've owed every M3 since the e36 and based on history it is probable that I could own a F8X M3 as well but at this stage of the game this is starting to sound like contrived propaganda and unfortunately any anticipation is now starting wane. Amazed how many folks are already emotionally attached to this car based solely on pictures and some numbers. The endless and often baseless pontification is becoming nauseating. Looking forward to real world data and getting passed this window of speculation.
__________________
991 GT3, Sold: '11 e92 M3 SG/FR ZCP|ZCV|ZP2|2MK|494|415|6NR|752
Appreciate 2
      01-27-2014, 03:48 PM   #72
Black Gold
Major General
590
Rep
5,396
Posts

Drives: M3
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Texas

iTrader: (15)

Quote:
Originally Posted by tlp View Post
I've owed every M3 since the e36 and based on history it is probable that I could own a F8X M3 as well but at this stage of the game this is starting to sound like contrived propaganda and unfortunately any anticipation is now starting wane. Amazed how many folks are already emotionally attached to this car based solely on pictures and some numbers. The endless and often baseless pontification is becoming nauseating. Looking forward to real world data and getting passed this window of speculation.
true the speculation is getting old, and it would be nice to get more real data

that said, its equally amazing to me how someone could get less interested in a car based on the amount of marketing (which is no different than any other carmaker at this time, marketing is extremely popular these days)

I am interested in the car because I think it will be awesome. not because it is or isn't marketed a lot. those things have zero to do with how the car will perform and what it looks like (seen it in person)

jmo
__________________
Appreciate 0
      01-27-2014, 03:49 PM   #73
Sedan_Clan
Law Enforcer
Sedan_Clan's Avatar
Brazil
24705
Rep
22,194
Posts

Drives: '22 Chalk Gray Porsche C2S
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: ..in your rearview!!!

iTrader: (26)

Quote:
Originally Posted by KennyPowers
Quote:
Originally Posted by tlp View Post
I've owed every M3 since the e36 and based on history it is probable that I could own a F8X M3 as well but at this stage of the game this is starting to sound like contrived propaganda and unfortunately any anticipation is now starting wane. Amazed how many folks are already emotionally attached to this car based solely on pictures and some numbers. The endless and often baseless pontification is becoming nauseating. Looking forward to real world data and getting passed this window of speculation.
true the speculation is getting old, and it would be nice to get more real data

that said, its equally amazing to me how someone could get less interested in a car based on the amount of marketing (which is no different than any other carmaker at this time, marketing is extremely popular these days)

I am interested in the car because I think it will be awesome. not because it is or isn't marketed a lot. those things have zero to do with how the car will perform and what it looks like (seen it in person)

jmo
Well said!
Appreciate 0
      01-27-2014, 04:02 PM   #74
elitex
.
elitex's Avatar
United_States
1230
Rep
1,918
Posts

Drives: 22 M8C Coupe, 21 X5MC
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Atlanta

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by biglare
Engine is an animal with shocking capabilities..... blah blah blah! I don't think it's going to be much different than the 1M engine with a proper tune on it. The torque will be the most fun, but if someone has not driven a 1M with a tune on it then it will be loads of new fun compared to an E9x M3. The day to day driving of the 1M is just overall more fun than a E9x M3. It's the torque that makes you drive with a constant smile.

The only difference that I am hoping for is that the torque is there at all times on the track for the new M3/4. With the 1M it can kind of come on quick and keeps you on your toes. If the torque delivery is slightly smoother, then we have some improvements over a tuned 1M engine. Just my thoughts.

At any rate, I'm looking forward to the real life comparison!


Torque is great but it's becoming an obsession for many. It's highly overrated IMO. I have both type of cars now and both are great. Their different but one is not better than the other.

Again, my personal opinion.
__________________
Previous
21 X5M MBB, 20 Evora GT, 20 C63S Coupe,19 X5 50i, 18 Giulia QV, 18 M5, 17 Evora 400, 18 LX570, 17 GT350,18 M4 Comp,17 R8 V10 ,17 M3 Comp,17 GT350,16 Escalade Plat ESV, 16 570S,16 911 GTS,15 M5, 15 LX570, 13 M5,13 Viper,14 Cayman S,13 M3,13 S4,10 RX8,12 A4,10 G37, 04 Mini Cooper S, 08 Scion TC, 06 Altima V6, 05 Altima, 01 Altima, 00 Altima, 94 Explorer, 92 Toyota Pickup, 98 Altima
Appreciate 0
      01-27-2014, 04:07 PM   #75
tlp
Colonel
United_States
276
Rep
2,216
Posts

Drives: 991 GT3, Sold:'11 e92 M3 SG/FR
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Las Vegas/SoCal

iTrader: (6)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by KennyPowers View Post
true the speculation is getting old, and it would be nice to get more real data

that said, its equally amazing to me how someone could get less interested in a car based on the amount of marketing (which is no different than any other carmaker at this time, marketing is extremely popular these days)

I am interested in the car because I think it will be awesome. not because it is or isn't marketed a lot. those things have zero to do with how the car will perform and what it looks like (seen it in person)

jmo
It's simple. Marketing is just marketing. I don't need someone to tell me what they "think" they want me to hear to buy their product. I will decide on my own terms with real world data. No need to romanticize today based on what I think it will be. I will make a decision based on what it actually does. Not hating...just saying .

I saw the M4 concept in person back in August @ Laguna Seca so I have had a lot of time to take in the car and data. Cautiously optimistic
__________________
991 GT3, Sold: '11 e92 M3 SG/FR ZCP|ZCV|ZP2|2MK|494|415|6NR|752
Appreciate 0
      01-27-2014, 04:27 PM   #76
Ashley Schaeffer BMW
Banned
91
Rep
833
Posts

Drives: E92 M3
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Charlotte

iTrader: (1)

lol settle down ladies. How about we wait for an independent review. Of course BMW is going to speak highly of this car.
Appreciate 0
      01-27-2014, 04:48 PM   #77
solstice
Major General
5457
Rep
7,037
Posts

Drives: 2015 M3 6MT
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Seattle

iTrader: (0)

Hehe, yeah I doubt those of us who has pushed the S63TU around will be "shocked" by the S55 but here's for hoping
Appreciate 0
      01-27-2014, 04:54 PM   #78
stevehifi
Captain
526
Rep
855
Posts

Drives: 17 F80 M3 ZCP
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Irvine,CA

iTrader: (5)

we need real on-track reviews... like Tiff Needell going sideways beating this thing into
submission.

I remember when the e9x m3 was announced a bunch of press was invited to a course in Spain to test the car with tons of videos and feedback...

it also doesn't help that this car has no future racing derivative assigned to it either (at least the e9x had the GT cars with flat pane crank version of the V8)

so far all we've seen is a bunch of beauty shots and claims of setting the bar again by ///M marketing fan boys. (yes drink the coolaid.. and spend $75k)
Appreciate 0
      01-27-2014, 04:54 PM   #79
AtlantaDude
Just enjoying my time
AtlantaDude's Avatar
United_States
128
Rep
855
Posts

Drives: 2007 BMW E92 335i - Sold
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Atlanta

iTrader: (0)

Here's to hoping. I'm looking forward to driving an M4 and seeing how it feels. I have to admit, I'm also cautiously optimistic also.
__________________
Current - 2022 Rivian R1T, 2021 Ducati Streetfighter V4S, 1969 Chevy C10
Sold - 2018 Tesla Model 3 Performance
Sold - 2007 E92 335i

If speed is death, then buy a Honda and live forever
Appreciate 0
      01-27-2014, 05:07 PM   #80
Real Deal
Second Lieutenant
23
Rep
290
Posts

Drives: E90
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: DC

iTrader: (0)

Wait... So a company advertising their product and speak highly of it means the product sucks? Everything you all own has been advertised in a positive way/spin. And torque makes a shit load of difference in the driving experience, it's not over rated it's only over rated if the car you drive now doesn't have any... What else are you going to say? What do you think an M car that is I6 twin turbo can deliver? Look at the N54 engine, the possibilities are endless now that same concept is molded in an M car with M suspension, better cooling etc... Cautiously optimistic? Sure, it's how life is for almost all of us. No racing future? Oh yes the beast V8 rears it's slow ugly head again in the debate. It's a matter of time, few more months and we ll know for sure but to blindly hate is just plain stupid. For the M owners that are here with negative spin, most M cars have delivered as advertised, why would it stop now? Oh that's right, every 7 years when a model is changed everyone has to bitch and moan.
Appreciate 0
      01-27-2014, 05:17 PM   #81
elitex
.
elitex's Avatar
United_States
1230
Rep
1,918
Posts

Drives: 22 M8C Coupe, 21 X5MC
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Atlanta

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by Real Deal
Wait... So a company advertising their product and speak highly of it means the product sucks? Everything you all own has been advertised in a positive way/spin. And torque makes a shit load of difference in the driving experience, it's not over rated it's only over rated if the car you drive now doesn't have any... What else are you going to say? What do you think an M car that is I6 twin turbo can deliver? Look at the N54 engine, the possibilities are endless now that same concept is molded in an M car with M suspension, better cooling etc... Cautiously optimistic? Sure, it's how life is for almost all of us. No racing future? Oh yes the beast V8 rears it's slow ugly head again in the debate. It's a matter of time, few more months and we ll know for sure but to blindly hate is just plain stupid. For the M owners that are here with negative spin, most M cars have delivered as advertised, why would it stop now? Oh that's right, every 7 years when a model is changed everyone has to bitch and moan.
Lol! I'd say that my M5 has plenty of torque!
__________________
Previous
21 X5M MBB, 20 Evora GT, 20 C63S Coupe,19 X5 50i, 18 Giulia QV, 18 M5, 17 Evora 400, 18 LX570, 17 GT350,18 M4 Comp,17 R8 V10 ,17 M3 Comp,17 GT350,16 Escalade Plat ESV, 16 570S,16 911 GTS,15 M5, 15 LX570, 13 M5,13 Viper,14 Cayman S,13 M3,13 S4,10 RX8,12 A4,10 G37, 04 Mini Cooper S, 08 Scion TC, 06 Altima V6, 05 Altima, 01 Altima, 00 Altima, 94 Explorer, 92 Toyota Pickup, 98 Altima
Appreciate 0
      01-27-2014, 05:19 PM   #82
Real Deal
Second Lieutenant
23
Rep
290
Posts

Drives: E90
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: DC

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by elitex View Post
Lol! I'd say that my M5 has plenty of torque!
Then get the e92m if you don't like the torque cause once you have driven a car full of torque and HP the rest is just ehh.
Appreciate 0
      01-27-2014, 05:20 PM   #83
elitex
.
elitex's Avatar
United_States
1230
Rep
1,918
Posts

Drives: 22 M8C Coupe, 21 X5MC
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Atlanta

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by Real Deal
Quote:
Originally Posted by elitex View Post
Lol! I'd say that my M5 has plenty of torque!
Then get the e92m if you don't like the torque cause once you have driven a car full of torque the rest is just ehh.
I have both....
__________________
Previous
21 X5M MBB, 20 Evora GT, 20 C63S Coupe,19 X5 50i, 18 Giulia QV, 18 M5, 17 Evora 400, 18 LX570, 17 GT350,18 M4 Comp,17 R8 V10 ,17 M3 Comp,17 GT350,16 Escalade Plat ESV, 16 570S,16 911 GTS,15 M5, 15 LX570, 13 M5,13 Viper,14 Cayman S,13 M3,13 S4,10 RX8,12 A4,10 G37, 04 Mini Cooper S, 08 Scion TC, 06 Altima V6, 05 Altima, 01 Altima, 00 Altima, 94 Explorer, 92 Toyota Pickup, 98 Altima
Appreciate 0
      01-27-2014, 05:23 PM   #84
Real Deal
Second Lieutenant
23
Rep
290
Posts

Drives: E90
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: DC

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by elitex View Post
I have both....
Well then, the e92m part of your brain must have made the torque being over rated comment I must say I respect that garage for sure.
Appreciate 0
      01-27-2014, 05:38 PM   #85
solstice
Major General
5457
Rep
7,037
Posts

Drives: 2015 M3 6MT
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Seattle

iTrader: (0)

No offense but shocked is just the wrong adjective here. I'll happily take surprised.
The only time I've been "shocked" by the power in a wheeled vehicle was the first time I rode a competition two-stroke motocross bike. That was truly a shocking power delivery for me. And I rode a GSX-R 1100 at the time which was fast but my gawd it was nothing like the ferociousness of that mad motocross bike.
Appreciate 0
      01-27-2014, 05:40 PM   #86
Diver
Brigadier General
Diver's Avatar
United_States
504
Rep
3,446
Posts

Drives: Black '12 135i - Sold
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Texas

iTrader: (0)

An animal, I suppose he meant a beast.
__________________
Appreciate 0
      01-27-2014, 06:19 PM   #87
RealStig
Banned
RealStig's Avatar
51
Rep
502
Posts

Drives: M3
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: NJ

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by KennyPowers View Post
true the speculation is getting old, and it would be nice to get more real data

that said, its equally amazing to me how someone could get less interested in a car based on the amount of marketing (which is no different than any other carmaker at this time, marketing is extremely popular these days)

I am interested in the car because I think it will be awesome. not because it is or isn't marketed a lot. those things have zero to do with how the car will perform and what it looks like (seen it in person)

jmo
Fair enough, but the previous generation M3/M5/M6 did not have anywhere near the amount of marketing/hype this new car does so for a seasoned M veteran, I can see a valid point in his argument.
Appreciate 0
      01-27-2014, 06:32 PM   #88
Real Deal
Second Lieutenant
23
Rep
290
Posts

Drives: E90
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: DC

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by RealStig View Post
Fair enough, but the previous generation M3/M5/M6 did not have anywhere near the amount of marketing/hype this new car does so for a seasoned M veteran, I can see a valid point in his argument.
I have yet to see a commercial on TV... So where are the hype? Corporate? Sure that is normal, BMW websites? Well duh!! It's a business, businesses change and adapt to what's around them. Different times, different marketing crew and mind set...
Appreciate 0
Post Reply

Bookmarks

Tags
2014 bmw m3, 2014 bmw m3 horsepower, 2014 bmw m3 specs, 2014 bmw m4 horsepower, 2014 bmw m4 specs, 2014 m3, 2014 m3 engine, 2014 m3 forum, 2014 m3 horsepower, 2014 m3 hp, 2014 m3 specs, 2014 m3 weight, 2014 m4 engine, 2014 m4 horsepower, 2014 m4 hp, 2014 m4 specs, 2014 m4 weight, 2015 bmw m3, 2015 bmw m3 specs, 2015 bmw m4, 2015 bmw m4 specs, 2015 m3, 2015 m3 engine, 2015 m3 specs, 2015 m4, 2015 m4 engine, 2015 m4 hp, 2015 m4 specs, 2015 m4 weight, bmw f80, bmw f80 forum, bmw f80 forums, bmw f80 m3, bmw f80 m3 s55, bmw f80 m3 sedan, bmw f82, bmw f82 forum, bmw f82 forums, bmw f82 m3 coupe, bmw f82 m4, bmw f82 m4 coupe, bmw f82 m4 s55, bmw f82 m4 video, bmw f83, bmw f83 m3, bmw f83 m4, bmw m forum, bmw m forums, bmw m3 forum, bmw m3 forums, bmw m3 s55, bmw m3 s55 engine, bmw m4, bmw m4 coupe, bmw m4 coupe forum, bmw m4 forum, bmw m4 weight, bmw s55, bmw s55 engine, f80 m3, f82 m4, m3 s55, m3 s55 engine, m4 s55, m4 s55 engine

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:11 AM.




f80post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST