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I'm looking for an intercooler for my m4 to install.
I've read many forums and found one but not sure about it. http://www.eospeed.com/products/evol...nt-intercooler is there any better options ? or the one i found is totally good?
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For that price I'd look into Dinan High-Performance Heat Exchanger. You would probably get far better gains than the top-mount.
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To be fair they each serve a separate function even though they are part of the same closed loop system.
The charge cooler (top mount) does it's job to lower the IAT's by using water to cool the charged air before it enters the intake manifold. The heat exchanger (front mount) is meant to improve recovery time by cooling that same water before it makes a full pass back into the charge cooler. It hard to say which one would make the more significant impact without knowing exactly what sort of driving you do or exactly what you're trying to accomplish. Ideally if you're pushing the car hard on the track, you'll want to upgrade both. If you're primarily a street driver, in conditions with less than ideal airflow at the front of the car, the charge cooler may be the better initial upgrade. We're debuting both units at SEMA this week with CSF which will be available for pre-order soon (once we finalize testing), and hopefully should be able to put product into customers hands in December. |
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Not sure if it's something worth spending 2K on though. Plus there hasn't been any data or testing whatsoever from any of those three companies showing any benefits from an upgraded charge cooler. As a matter of fact EOS and Fall-Line never even officially announced the release of their product for some reason... If for whatever reason you believe you need to upgrade your cooling system, which personally I don't see anyone with stock turbos needing to, get an upgraded Heat Exchanger. Atleast there is some testing/data (from Dinan only as of today) to support their benefit. And it is much more reasonably priced. Just my 2 cents.
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The best possible airflow comes at higher speeds, during sustained driving, without additional obstructions. (IE: anytime you can drive for extended periods of time with fresh, unobstructed airflow.) As mentioned above, the purpose of the charge cooler is to cool the compressed air, while the purposed of the heat exchanger is to cool the water that is flowing through the charge cooler. One doesn't work without the other, and the decision as to which to upgrade first would be based on driving conditions and intended use. We will also be presenting plenty of technical data and testing results as we get closer to official release. Wind Tunnel Testing, Dyno Testing, On-Road Testing, Track Testing, etc... The only reason CSF has announced our partnership and soon to be released cooling products is because SEMA is this week where the products will be debuted to industry professionals. Last edited by VF-Engineering; 11-01-2016 at 05:36 PM.. Reason: fixed broken image |
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But I have to say it seems odd to me that even at idle the IAT's are lower, I would assume they'd be the same. The car is programmed to target a particular operating temperature and hence control fan speed and water pumping to stay within that target regardless of the size of your heat exchanger, radiator, oil cooler etc. I could be wrong though...
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Then how and why do you believe that someone who mostly does street driving might want to upgrade to your intercooler even though you havn't even done any testing to prove that it will help in any way?
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There's lots of people who drive hard on the street. Then you come to a stop light and sit there and the engine bay heat soaks. Or if you're at the drag strip, you're driving through the pits and idling without fresh air. Or if you're playing hard on the highway but our house is a few miles away on surface streets. I think that's what he's talking about.
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I don't understand this at all. There are quite a few people on this forum, like MaynardZed and CanAutM3 that have a lot of track time with the F8X platform and have mentioned how cool the intercooler is after multiple track sessions.
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That being said, for those pushing more boost, there probably comes a point where the stock intercooling system becomes insufficient. Hence the need to increase its capacity.
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True...I've also had my car get back to back runs on the dyno with no where near "ideal air flow conditions" and the intercooler still feels cool to the touch.
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What I was saying is that there has been no testing done yet from their behalf to confirm if by upgrading to their intercooler will help with any of that. Neither has there been any tests from their competition to support that. For all we know they might not show any significant benefit for a stock or even a tuned car.
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My point is that as boost is increased, the intercooler system will reach its limit at some point. Where that threshold is, I cannot say.
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and my point is upgrading my intercooler system for a stock turbo 492 whp also heat exchanger for gains + cool off the hot weather
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Another thing to factor is system volume. According to Edelbrock, etc. you size the volume of the system so you can run a quarter mile without recirculating the coolant that went through the heat exchanger. That ensures a consistent run and temps. Of course that would vary if you want to run 1/2 mile races, etc. |
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