Presenting the First Ever BMW M3 CS. Runs 7:38 Nurburgring lap time.

[SouthernBoy]

It makes the regular M3 just seem....sub par

[teaston]

Originally Posted by Thescout13

Since its a BMW NA press release, maybe it is couching it in terms of it being the first American bound M3 CS? I could be mistaken though.

Edit: I think I may be mistaken based on what Wikipedia says. Looks like the CSL did not come to the US but the CS (Competition Package) did, however it was only called the CS in the UK

Ok I didn't realise it wasn't called the CS in the US.

Still, this new one is not the "first ever"!

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

yes.. .. I'll guess 93K for this and 95K for the M4 CS.

I think that price for the M4 CS would come as a pleasant surprise to a lot of people. It seems the consensus is generally over $100k for that car based on how much it is known to command over the M4 in other markets.

The M3 CS is going to be particularly interesting. How much discount do you give for the lack of OLED lights? Plus, it misses out on the Alcantara seats which makes the whole thing look less the business and somewhat less cohesive to me. With that in mind, as a customer, I’d want to see an appreciably lower price. On the other hand, if you lower it to much, what message do you send to the potential M4 CS buyer? This is the potential conflict I pointed out when talking about this car in the past. Now, the winning play might be the limited edition aspect they have gone with. The M3 CS is going to be more rare and produced only for a short time compared to the M4 CS, so they probably figure they can re-up the asking price despite the missing content. Indeed, someone posted UK prices earlier and it seems they are only £3K apart.

BTW, there’s a pricing speculation thread here:

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1406613

And I’ll probably move these posts there.

[DrtyJrze]

So wait, the majority of people on the forum bitch about the cost of an M3 once the price roughly crosses $80k. Now, all of a sudden a well optioned M3 with "CS" added is a good value at $95k? What's being passed around cause I want some!

How many of you even have an $90k build now?

[Wingman335]

Do you guys think the trunk spoiler will be available on its own? It looks pretty nice - would like to have it for my f80 competition.

[M-Pilot]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

TRUTH!

On the M2 forums I have maintained since early 2016 that production of the standard M2 is limited. Many stated " not true... they have SAID they will make as many as customers demand" .

Seeing that currently, less than 4000 M2 have been delivered in the US over a 3 year period... I think most would not argue the point any longer.

While not specifically limited to a known number, M cars typically are produced at a lower rate than what consumers would purchase them. That of course is part of what helps an M car retain value in the future.

If remember correctly first batch of M2 deliveries started in March 2016. It hasn't even been 2 years yet. What do you mean by " 4000 M2s over 3 years"? I agree that it's more difficult to get an M2 than an M3 or M4 but it's not impossible or super hard by any means. Whoever wants an M2 can get one if they have little bit of patience. Also, as an insider forum member stated in another thread (can't remember his alias), M2 CS/Competition is coming next summer and it won't be very difficult to get a hold of one of those either, unlike M2 CSL.

[Ibiza]

Originally Posted by DrtyJrze

So wait, the majority of people on the forum bitch about the cost of an M3 once the price roughly crosses $80k. Now, all of a sudden a well optioned M3 with "CS" added is a good value at $95k? What's being passed around cause I want some!

How many of you even have an $90k build now?

I have a $94k + build for a F83 exclusive of the flash tune/catless/BMC performed in Germany ($4k). Other mods will put it over $105k. XM5 on order is close to $115k. So 2 builds over $100k, but I'm not interest in the M3 CS.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

Hey now!

Ok, so there it is. I can admit it - I was wrong.

Gatte I should never have doubted you.

CanAutM3 - here’s your next car. I mean, I know you like a coupe, but this is likely to be the better deal. We shall see though.

My first thought when I read the thread: I might get this over the M4 CS

I much prefer the interior of this M3CS

[stefan]

Much better looking than the m4 but seriously why isn't this how the m3 comes stock.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by dinonz

The AC controls look quite different too - almost primitive - obviously not dual zone like now, more analogue than digital.

Single zone HVAC vs dual zone means less ducting and heat exchangers for less weight. I rarely use the "dual zone" capability in my car anyhow and reading on this forum, many complain of not having a "synch" button for the two zones.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

I much prefer the interior of this M3CS

Funny you say that. . I had just mentioned above that I actually like the M4 CS seats more; the leather M3 CS seats seem just a bit out of place. But, yes, the fact that the M3 has the real door handles instead of the somewhat less convincing straps is a definite win.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by stevehifi

Ok so let's break this down a bit and compare it to a normal M3 CP:

-wheels (you can buy the same wheels through Mperf for $3220, although
only black color)
-same MPSS (no cup 2)
-hood ($3800 through Mperf parts +paint cost $500)
-front lip ($1800)
-rear lip ($500)
-diffuser ($1150)
-suspension (same as CP) except for some links and hub carriers
made of aluminum
-alcantara steering wheel $800
-exhaust (seems same as CP except different tips)
-power (tune.. many options out there)
-individual paint $1950
-alcantara interior ? $$$$

extra cost so far: $13,720 on top of base M3+CP+DCT. ($66,450+$4750+
$2900)

Might want to re-check your prices. According to the IND site:

MP CF Diffuser: $1365
CS CF Gurney flap: $1460
CS CF front splitter: $1895
CS CF hood: $7600

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by teaston

"The first ever M3 CS", except for the E46 M3 CS?! :

The E46 M3 CS was a BMW UK only product for the local market and not a BMW corporate product.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by cntzl

If remember correctly first batch of M2 deliveries started in March 2016. It hasn't even been 2 years yet. What do you mean by " 4000 M2s over 3 years"? I agree that it's more difficult to get an M2 than an M3 or M4 but it's not impossible or super hard by any means. Whoever wants an M2 can get one if they have little bit of patience. Also, as an insider forum member stated in another thread (can't remember his alias), M2 CS/Competition is coming next summer and it won't be very difficult to get a hold of one of those either, unlike M2 CSL.

3 years of M2 production in MODEL years.. not calendar years..

2016 HEA
2016 model year
2017 model year - the US mark was 3500 vehicles at this point
2018 already hitting the streets and available now!

Keep in mind that EOP for the third model year is June 2018..


See the following thread for more info on M2 production volume

http://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...uction+figures

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

based on my reading.. you are correct.... one certainly cannot make 'nothing' lighter.. It appears that the actual weight savings is here...


The special edition BMW M3 CS’s chassis is largely the same as that of the BMW M3 with Competition Package, but it also includes exclusive modifications for the special-edition model to give an even sportier set-up. Notable features include its low weight and the extraordinary rigidity of the axle systems. There is a lightweight double-joint spring strut axle at the front and a five-link axle at the rear. The links and wheel carriers are all made from forged aluminum. The rear differential’s double-elastic suspension and the rear axle subframe’s rigid bolted connection with the body structure both demonstrate how thoroughbred motorsport technology has been engrained into the road car.

The limited-run BMW M3 CS special-edition model is fitted with forged light-alloy wheels in Orbit Grey Matt as standard. Their ten-spoke design takes its cue from the wheels of the successful M4 cars competing in the German Touring Car Championship (DTM) race series. The BMW M GmbH engineers have rigorously applied their lightweight design approach to the wheels as well. The 10 J x 20-inch wheels at the rear weigh just over 22 pounds each and their 9 J x 19-inch counterparts at the front a mere 19 pounds.


if BMW was actually SERIOUS about weight savings... this vehicle wouldn't have an M DCT (and it's associated needed trans oil cooler) .. and it also wouldn't have NAV.

The suspension description sounds just like the regular F8X...

From the original 2014 press release:

Aluminum suspension elements ensure sharper dynamics.

The core expertise of BMW M GmbH resides in developing M cars that offer impressive steering precision, on-the-limit adjustability, agility and driving feeling, together with unbeatable traction and outstanding directional stability – all without neglecting everyday usability. In order to achieve these aims with the significantly increased performance capability of the new BMW M3 Sedan and new BMW M4 Coupe, the axles of the outgoing BMW M3 have been redesigned with painstaking attention to detail.

Here again, low weight and a high level of rigidity for the axle systems are essential ingredients in ensuring the cars provide an ultra-dynamic driving experience. In the double-joint spring strut front axle alone, the use of a lightweight aluminum construction for components such as control arms, wheel carriers and axle subframes saves five kilograms over a conventional steel design. Play-free ball joints and elastomeric bearings developed specially for the BMW M3 Sedan and BMW M4 Coupe ensure an optimum and direct transfer of forces both laterally and longitudinally. An aluminum stiffening plate, CFRP front strut brace and additional bolted joints between the axle subframe and the body structure all help to increase the rigidity of the front end.

Also lighter than the construction in the outgoing BMW M3 is the new five-link rear axle. All the control arms and wheel carriers are manufactured using forged aluminum, which reduces the unsprung masses of the wheel-locating components by around three kilograms compared with the previous model generation. The rigid connection between the rear axle subframe and the body – without the use of elastic rubber elements – is borrowed from motor sport and serves to further improve wheel location and therefore directional stability. “The double-elastic mounting for the rear differential within the rear axle subframe – which is bolted to the body structure – has allowed us to achieve a new level of driving precision, but without neglecting comfort,” says Albert Biermann, citing another example of the perfect symbiosis of pure-bred motor sport technology and excellent everyday usability.

The development of the tires for the cars was incorporated into the construction process for the axles from the outset. For high-performance sports cars like the BMW M3 Sedan and BMW M4 Coupe, in particular, steering feel and precision are the foremost considerations in the development of tires for the front axle, alongside lateral stability and braking forces. At the rear axle, meanwhile, traction, lateral stability and directional stability take center stage. For this reason, both cars will leave the factory on low-weight 18-inch forged wheels (front axle: 9 J x 18, rear axle: 10 J x 18) with mixed-size tires (front axle: 255 mm, rear axle: 275 mm). 19-inch wheels and tires are available as an option. The specially developed forged wheels make a significant contribution to the reduction in the cars’ unsprung masses and, in turn, to the optimization of dynamic qualities and efficiency. The experienced M engineers have taken great care to ensure all the components between the steering wheel and tires work together harmoniously and therefore provide maximum driving precision and lateral stability, along with good ride comfort.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

The suspension description sounds just like the regular F8X...

I was trying to work though that earlier too. Seems like no changes, but they specifically mention it has been enhanced.

Does the M4 CS have any suspension or chassis changes compared to the Competition Package?

[danniexi]

ive seen better modded cars on bimmerpost than this M3 CS.

and hell, pretty much all of these parts are available to purchase on iND (including steering wheel and interior bits minus the subpar HVAC controls) and other vendors for the major stuff (CF hood, wheels, etc).

sorry, but im not impressed. at all.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

I was trying to work though that earlier too. Seems like no changes, but they specifically mention it has been enhanced.

Does the M4 CS have any suspension or chassis changes compared to the Competition Package?

I was giving credit that there may be new forged components... but maybe the flowery writing fooled me..

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

I was trying to work though that earlier too. Seems like no changes, but they specifically mention it has been enhanced.

Does the M4 CS have any suspension or chassis changes compared to the Competition Package?

My understanding is that it is limited to a recalibrated EDC to better take advantage of the grippier PSC2 on the M4CS.

Since the M3CS comes with PSS standard, I am not sure if or how the EDC calibration was changed.

[goj]

Want, want, want

[mrmoua2u]

Approx 550 units ONLY for US, WTF?!

[stylinexpat]

Very very nice, really like it