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      Yesterday, 09:04 PM   #3697
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have any of you driven one yet? do they even allow test drives for these? thinking of making a trip to my local dealer this week to check it out (already seen it in person but would like to get behind the wheel to at least see how it drives. no chance i buy one though, gt3 next or bust).
Not yet. Two of my local dealers only have them on display at the moment (one even covered both vehicles under a sheet). I am going to the "premiere event" which may or may not have test drives (dealer website provides zero information as to what the event entails), however I don't like to beat on cars that are pre-break in unless they are press cars. I don't think I'd get the full experience without the car being broken in and being able to rev it out, so I'll probably wait until they do another M-Town Event to drive one.
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      Yesterday, 09:06 PM   #3698
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Lol I was going to reply to him but it's not even worth it. There is nothing anyone is going to say or do that is going to sway some of those dudes opinions. It really is a cult over there for some of them. The guy that posted that never even owned an m car but has decided that it's the best of the best.

And man I have said it many times but that M3 competition I drove had 0 problems moving from down low.
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What else did you expect them to say? "No its sucks, looks like a beaver but I'm still putting $8xk to buy this car.?"

You'll never convince them. If there's one thing I've learned, people chase after shiny new things just because its... new and novel. That excludes good taste because their brains are getting a dopamine high to own the latest new thing. That's how humans are wired.

I've just accepted that this is the new market that BMW is after. It's fine but the big question that will be answered in the next year or two; will there be enough new customers to make up for folks like us who won't buy the car?
I didn't write the message, perks of being banned

Just found it to be a funny and sad brain-washed post. Comments over there read like a cult.
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If I forgot to state this earlier, the cluster design is definitely a downgrade. Its quite cluttered while being not cluttered, if you know what I mean. Gone are the timeless round gauges and red needles that are simple yet tell you everything you need to know.
I personally really HATE digital gauges and BMW ones are the worst imo.

Porsche and Lexus at least did a great design on the 911 and F Cars - they have a large analog RPM gauge surrounded by digital info. Porsche also has the optional sport chrono gauge on center of dash which is also analog.

The F80 is a perfect combo of analog with some digital.

There is a reason ppl still wear regular watches and not just apple or some other digital readout. It will always be timeless while digital readout will be dated in 5yrs.



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I have a feeling there are a lot of BMW NA employees in there helping the narrative.
Yeah, cause that's who's going to be driving the majority of these deformities ...

Overheard back in my corp days:

"geezus why do I gotta do it??"
"because '... and other duties as assigned' bitch."
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I didn't write the message, perks of being banned

Just found it to be a funny and sad brain-washed post. Comments over there read like a cult.
That's what happens when you ban any negative comment about a car.

If that's what BP mods wanted, then they got it.
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In my mind BMW pulled a cheap trick with this weird Hail Mary design direction change in an attempt to stand out from the crowd by doing what everyone has been doing for the past 10 years with larger grilles. Except it just doesn't work since two gigantic kidneys doesn't work like one large singular grille i.e. Lexus, Audi, MBZ, Ford, Hyundai, Genesis, Toyota, etc
This is an interesting take because it made me think...who hasn't changed to the massive grills. Immediately, Land Rover came to mind. I pulled up pics of 20 year-old designs and yup, they are proportionally similar in size to what they were two decades ago. Who has had no trouble selling notoriously unreliable but gorgeous cars in the past 5 years? Land Rover. Full disclosure...I bought my mom a 2020 Discovery diesel last fall to replace her dead Explorer. It is a fabulous vehicle.
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Tomorrow's gonna be interesting ...

(a.) If the G8x reviews poorly ... (within the bounds of zomg-bmw-please-don't-cut-me-off) it'll be a fail, and, ok the embargo is/was probably a good decision ...

But we have to ask ourselves, does BMW make good decisions lately? No.

(b.) If the G8x reviews well ... then why the hell with the embargo? To keep the string of poor decisions rollin?


Thus whichever of these possibilities happens, it's going to be a well-repeated part of auto business history.

On with the show!!
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Lol I was going to reply to him but it's not even worth it. There is nothing anyone is going to say or do that is going to sway some of those dudes opinions. It really is a cult over there for some of them. The guy that posted that never even owned an m car but has decided that it's the best of the best.

And man I have said it many times but that M3 competition I drove had 0 problems moving from down low.
No more of a cult there than what goes on in here. You guys are just on the other side of the line and equally judgmental.
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No more of a cult there than what goes on in here. You guys are just on the other side of the line and equally judgmental.
That's a false equivalency...The HUGE difference here is, outside of some jokes and mockery, the majority of us are/were having civil discussions and critiques of the design of many different brands of comparable cars. All we see over on the G8X section is a bunch of cheerleaders drinking some G8x koolaid. Not the same. We see you too but you're more a causal fan over there
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No more of a cult there than what goes on in here. You guys are just on the other side of the line and equally judgmental.
That's a false equivalency...The HUGE difference here is, outside of some jokes and mockery, the majority of us are/were having civil discussions and critiques of the design of many different brands of comparable cars. All we see over on the G8X section is a bunch of cheerleaders drinking some G8x koolaid. Not the same. We see you too but you're more a causal fan over there
....but, why can't they cheerlead a car they are excited about? Why does it have to be equated to kool-aid consumption? Aesthetics are a very personal thing.
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No more of a cult there than what goes on in here. You guys are just on the other side of the line and equally judgmental.
Again, similar in kind, but difference in degree.
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No more of a cult there than what goes on in here. You guys are just on the other side of the line and equally judgmental.
Again, similar in kind, but difference in degree.
The difference: much more anger and intolerance here. That doesn't apply to all, but definitely to some.
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....but, why can't they cheerlead a car they are excited about? Why does it have to be equated to kool-aid consumption? Aesthetics are a very personal thing.
For those that like the G8x, totally but pretending reality doesn't exist is a dysfunction.

...Because it's also self-evidently obvious: of those willing to type up an opinion online, cheerleaders are in a small minority ... so small that Biimmerpost has had to, for the first time ever, curate their thread by banning negative posters. BMWBlog has said - for the first time ever - they don't know how to fix BMW. Frank Stephenson, BMW design head for 10 years, has said this car "doesn't look like it was designed by BMW". Dealers want you to "get used to it". I could go on.

Here's what we know:

(1.) As judged by internet chatter including this site, there's an unprecedented amount of G8x dislike to a degree never seen before,

(2.) As judged by allocations & dealer stock, the G8x is a US launch failure,

(3.) BMW are notorious liars about sales numbers so it'll be a long while before the financial success of the car is known


But, hey, a new cohort of BMW buyers may come out of the woodwork - an unvocal-up-to-now group, maybe because they don't even know about it. That could happen. Maybe the G8x's for-some-weird-reason-hidden-by-BMW performance will shockingly get people over polarizing looks. Could happen.

Probably won't, but maybe!

One can cheerlead while still admitting reality. At least that's what my prom date kept telling me
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....but, why can't they cheerlead a car they are excited about? Why does it have to be equated to kool-aid consumption? Aesthetics are a very personal thing.
For those that like the G8x, totally but pretending reality doesn't exist is a dysfunction.

...Because it's also self-evidently obvious: of those willing to type up an opinion online, cheerleaders are in a small minority ... so small that Biimmerpost has had to, for the first time ever, curate their thread by banning negative posters. BMWBlog has said - for the first time ever - they don't know how to fix BMW. Frank Stephenson, BMW design head for 10 years, has said this car "doesn't look like it was designed by BMW". I could go on.

Here's what we know:

(1.) As judged by internet chatter including this site, there's an unprecedented amount of G8x dislike to a degree never seen before,

(2.) As judged by allocations & dealer stock, the G8x is a US launch failure,

(3.) BMW are notorious liars about sales numbers so it'll be a long while before the financial success of the car is known


But, hey, a new cohort of BMW buyers may come out of the woodwork - an unvocal-up-to-now group, maybe because they don't even know about it. That could happen. Maybe the G8x's for-some-weird-reason-hidden-by-BMW performance will shockingly get people over polarizing looks. Could happen.

Probably won't, but maybe!

One can cheerlead while still admitting reality. At least that's what my prom date kept telling me
Most of that is premature, so I guess we'll see.
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