Interesting Motor Trend Review

Damasconian · 06-26-2014, 06:12 PM

Got home today to the August issue of Motor Trend. The M twins are on the cover and look great.

The numbers in their tests stood out from the other reviews I have read:

M3 DCT at 3.8 to 60, 12.1 in the quarter mile @ 117.8 mph - 3590 Lbs
M4 DCT at 3.9 to 60, 12.1 in the quarter mile @ 119.1 mph - 3588 Lbs

This sentence taken from the article was also a surprise: "Cars equipped with the optional M Drivers Package get a limited top speed of 174" (rather than the standard 155)

What is the M drivers package? Adaptive suspension? This is the U.S. version of Motor Trend. Weird.

Dont have a scanner at my house but I did my best to get a picture on. Sorry for the poor quality. Can take more if you guys want to squint your way through the review.

Review was glowing.

IMrMark · 06-26-2014, 06:16 PM

M Drivers Package is a european option if I remember right... you pay extra and take a driving class with BMW, they say "ok we trust you a little more now" and increase the limiter.

likely not offered in the states since we'd never really have a "legal" reason to go that fast overall. No autobahn and whatnot.

edit: but who knows why this or that ever happens in business and politics.

tooch · 06-26-2014, 06:17 PM

They don't offer the M drivers package in US. Those are good numbers though, should be able to get into 11's with some simple bolt ons.

Damasconian · 06-26-2014, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by IMrMark

M Drivers Package is a european option if I remember right... you pay extra and take a driving class with BMW, they say "ok we trust you a little more now" and increase the limiter.

likely not offered in the states since we'd never really have a "legal" reason to go that fast overall. No autobahn and whatnot.

edit: but who knows why this or that ever happens in business and politics.

Thanks, makes sense. I thought that could have been it but look at Motor Trend tested cars as US spec cars. Either way, the possibility of it is more than enough for me.

elitex · 06-26-2014, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Damasconian

Got home today to the August issue of Motor Trend. The M twins are on the cover and look great.

The numbers in their tests stood out from the other reviews I have read:

M3 DCT at 3.8 to 60, 12.1 in the quarter mile @ 117.8 mph - 3590 Lbs
M4 DCT at 3.9 to 60, 12.1 in the quarter mile @ 119.1 mph - 3588 Lbs

This sentence taken from the article was also a surprise: "Cars equipped with the optional M Drivers Package get a limited top speed of 174" (rather than the standard 155)

What is the M drivers package? Adaptive suspension? This is the U.S. version of Motor Trend. Weird.

Dont have a scanner at my house but I did my best to get a picture on. Sorry for the poor quality. Can take more if you guys want to squint your way through the review.

Review was glowing.

So M4 traps higher? M4 may be quicker in a mile race.

shortseller · 06-26-2014, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by tooch

They don't offer the M drivers package in US. Those are good numbers though, should be able to get into 11's with some simple bolt ons.

Yup, plus mod sw will have no problem changing the rev limiter, not to mention hp/tq numbers though frankly it probably is close to max anyway in reference to engine max tolerances.

Sedan_Clan · 06-26-2014, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by elitex

So M4 traps higher? M4 may be quicker in a mile race.

That could be due to the slightly less weight. Who knows??!!

stressdoc · 06-26-2014, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

That could be due to the slightly less weight. Who knows??!!

Two lbs.? Surely that is irrelevant.

Sedan_Clan · 06-26-2014, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by stressdoc

Two lbs.? Surely that is irrelevant.

I forgot the smiley. It was meant to be a facetious statement given how people go on and on about weight.

stressdoc · 06-26-2014, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Damasconian

... Can take more if you guys want to squint your way through the review.

He!! yes, please post. Jacob can kill it if it violates copyright...

ss134 · 06-26-2014, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by stressdoc

Two lbs.? Surely that is irrelevant.

Might not have been 2lbs- could have had a fat driver in the M3 as well!

bdoooh · 06-26-2014, 07:54 PM

Got this issue in the mail today too. Might put it in a frame & hang it up in my office lol.

BD SM3RF · 06-26-2014, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ss134

Might not have been 2lbs- could have had a fat driver in the M3 as well!

Yes defiantly a fat driver in the M3. But before we get too excited here this was a US test so chances are the M4 driver was fat too. (wait a min i'm an American should I be saying that out loud

)

onatuesday · 06-26-2014, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ecleland

Yes defiantly a fat driver in the M3. But before we get too excited here this was a US test so chances are the M4 driver was fat too. (wait a min i'm an American should I be saying that out loud

)

Can someone post it already puh leaseee

CanAutM3 · 06-26-2014, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

That could be due to the slightly less weight. Who knows??!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by stressdoc

Two lbs.? Surely that is irrelevant.

Slightly smaller frontal area of the M4 maybe (2.23 vs 2.29)

?

Or just car-to-car variability...

Sir Loin · 06-26-2014, 08:34 PM

Hum, it may be a while before this issue hits the newsstand. I plan to buy all magazines with a M3/M4 review and keep them.

IMrMark · 06-26-2014, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Damasconian

Thanks, makes sense. I thought that could have been it but look at Motor Trend tested cars as US spec cars. Either way, the possibility of it is more than enough for me.

I totally would do it if I could, don't get me wrong

GregW / Oregon · 06-26-2014, 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elitex

So M4 traps higher? M4 may be quicker in a mile race.

M4 has slightly better aero (Cd = 0.76 vs. 0.78) because of smaller frontal area, so it will have the advantage as speed rises, all other things being equal.

Edit: See I was beat to this fact!

M3OW · 06-26-2014, 09:00 PM

Can you please post this review? I'm being held hostage by my wife. I can't leave the house!

ersin · 06-26-2014, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by GregW / Oregon

M4 has slightly better aero (Cd = 0.76 vs. 0.78) because of smaller frontal area,

If the drag figure includes area then it would be CdA, not Cd. But then these numbers for CdA would be wrong. Where did they come from?

Cheers.

onatuesday · 06-26-2014, 09:15 PM

Couldn't it just be a difference in mileage/tire wear. The difference is so miniscule I can't believe this causing so much commotion

damnitBobby · 06-26-2014, 09:28 PM

seems about right for the DCT

difference between the two cars trap speeds could be the result of many variables.. driver, track conditions, motor making slightly more power (not every single motor will produce exactly the same amount of power ya know)

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Damasconian Lieutenant Colonel 742 Rep 1,555 Posts Drives: 2015 M4 Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Texas iTrader: (0)	Interesting Motor Trend Review Got home today to the August issue of Motor Trend. The M twins are on the cover and look great. The numbers in their tests stood out from the other reviews I have read: M3 DCT at 3.8 to 60, 12.1 in the quarter mile @ 117.8 mph - 3590 Lbs M4 DCT at 3.9 to 60, 12.1 in the quarter mile @ 119.1 mph - 3588 Lbs This sentence taken from the article was also a surprise: "Cars equipped with the optional M Drivers Package get a limited top speed of 174" (rather than the standard 155) What is the M drivers package? Adaptive suspension? This is the U.S. version of Motor Trend. Weird. Dont have a scanner at my house but I did my best to get a picture on. Sorry for the poor quality. Can take more if you guys want to squint your way through the review. Review was glowing. Attached Images
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bdoooh Captain 112 Rep 969 Posts Drives: 2014 SSII M5 CP Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Ohio iTrader: (2)	Got this issue in the mail today too. Might put it in a frame & hang it up in my office lol.
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Sir Loin M3AT LOVER 322 Rep 1,853 Posts Drives: Silverstone F80 M3 Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Seattle iTrader: (0)	Hum, it may be a while before this issue hits the newsstand. I plan to buy all magazines with a M3/M4 review and keep them. __________________ 2015 F80 M3 \| SSII ext SO int \| M-DCT \| 19" Black Wheels
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M3OW Private First Class 8 Rep 199 Posts Drives: Bmw f80 m3 on radar Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: SoCal iTrader: (0)	Can you please post this review? I'm being held hostage by my wife. I can't leave the house!
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onatuesday Captain 157 Rep 965 Posts Drives: Hyundai Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: TX iTrader: (0)	Couldn't it just be a difference in mileage/tire wear. The difference is so miniscule I can't believe this causing so much commotion
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damnitBobby Major 992 Rep 1,370 Posts Drives: 2018 M3 ZCP Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Houston iTrader: (0)	seems about right for the DCT difference between the two cars trap speeds could be the result of many variables.. driver, track conditions, motor making slightly more power (not every single motor will produce exactly the same amount of power ya know)
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