Does track use void tread wear warranty on Michelin AS3 tires?

[ThatRWD]

Does track use void tread wear warranty on Michelin AS3 tires? What about pilot super sports? Tried reading their warranty information it doesn't mention track use but it says racing voids your warranty.

[MaX PL]

obviously yes

[ellipsis212]

Formula 1 returns their race tires to Pirelli so I don't see why you can't do the same with your Michelins.

[Silverlining_m2]

How would they know? Why would you tell them?

[bigjae1976]

Why are you using all season tires on the track?

[ThatRWD]

Originally Posted by F82spaceship

How would they know? Why would you tell them?

They look to be in a quite a different shape than I have ever seen my tires, I think the hard turns wear them in quite a different manner.

Originally Posted by bigjae1976

Why are you using all season tires on the track?

It didn't cross my mind, first time on the track.

And honestly I took it pretty safe/slow... instructor was commending me on my safety and kept telling me to push harder and to let much slower cars pass... But the tires are 5/32nd in 10k miles when they are rated for 45k. Not sure how much of that is due to the track use.

[FormulaMMM]

Originally Posted by ThatRWD

They look to be in a quite a different shape than I have ever seen my tires, I think the hard turns wear them in quite a different manner.

It didn't cross my mind, first time on the track.

And honestly I took it pretty safe/slow... instructor was commending me on my safety and kept telling me to push harder and to let much slower cars pass... But the tires are 5/32nd in 10k miles when they are rated for 45k. Not sure how much of that is due to the track use.

You're going to see accelerated and different wear with track use as compared to street. It's not unlikely most of your wear occurred in that single day, even at novice pace.

A/S 3+ is a great all-round tire but not cut out for track duty. You live and you learn. Don't expect treadlife coverage with any tires that are tracked.

[sc_tr0jan_m3]

1) there's nothing wrong w the all season tires for your first track day. Run what you brung and looks like you had fun and the instructor felt safe in the car! Nice job!

2) It'd be hard pressed to make a case of accelerated wear. Not sure what warranty if being offered but I wouldn't sweat it. Run the tires as you normally would then look for alternatives if you see yourself going to the track frequently.

[Montaver]

I was at WGI a few weeks ago and went out with an instructor in an airport rental Mustang 5.0 on all seasons. He was flat through the esses. After seeing this, doing the esses flat in my car on sticky tires didn't seem like such a big deal. The moral of the story being, don't worry about doing a few track days on all seasons as those bad boys will have more than enough grip to get you started. Use them up then go for a summer tire. Just don't expect a warranty

[bigjae1976]

Originally Posted by sc_tr0jan_m3

1) there's nothing wrong w the all season tires for your first track day. Run what you brung and looks like you had fun and the instructor felt safe in the car! Nice job!

2) It'd be hard pressed to make a case of accelerated wear. Not sure what warranty if being offered but I wouldn't sweat it. Run the tires as you normally would then look for alternatives if you see yourself going to the track frequently.

I guess but all season tires generally can't handle a lot of heat which will eventually chunk the tire which means the rubber carcass is about to fail. Unless you're really slow…I'd recommend a 200-300 treadwear summer tire.

[Suds]

Discount Tire knows I don’t pay for any kind of tire warranty or extras.

[paffinity]

Are you running square? If not, then treadwear warranty is half because it normally assumes rotation.

[NYG]

I wouldn't bring it up but track wear can be pretty obvious.

You can 100% do track days on all seasons, especially if you're just getting into it. They're not dangerous, super audible at the limit but they will start to condition you into thinking you have less grip than reality once you put stickier tires on. So if tracking is something you'll continue doing then you'll want to think about getting into a stickier street tire and advancing through the ranks there.

[jfritz27]

Originally Posted by Montaver

in an airport rental Mustang 5.0 on all seasons. He was flat through the esses

Ballsy.

[NYG]

Originally Posted by Montaver

I was at WGI a few weeks ago and went out with an instructor in an airport rental Mustang 5.0 on all seasons. He was flat through the esses. After seeing this, doing the esses flat in my car on sticky tires didn't seem like such a big deal. The moral of the story being, don't worry about doing a few track days on all seasons as those bad boys will have more than enough grip to get you started. Use them up then go for a summer tire. Just don't expect a warranty

Guy had to be full of shit.

I'd rethink my life if he managed to go flat with a stock rental mustang on all seasons.

[TractionControlDelete]

Maybe the instructor's experience level, especially with his comfort with more slip than an ordinary track visitor (1st timer at that), allowed him to go flat out through esses? Of significance, we don't know the severity of the esses... it's not THAT uncommon to go flat out on esses when the best line is basically straight.

[OhioRiderAaron]

Originally Posted by F82KPowers

Maybe the instructor's experience level, especially with his comfort with more slip than an ordinary track visitor (1st timer at that), allowed him to go flat out through esses? Of significance, we don't know the severity of the esses... it's not THAT uncommon to go flat out on esses when the best line is basically straight.

There's normally only a few handfuls of instructors that run moderately quick laptimes at any given event. There's a very small chance anyone is going thru T2-4 flat out at Watkins. I think it's about halfway thru you can go back to full throttle depending on the car/setup, but maybe some of the faster drivers/racers will chime in to confirm, I could be wrong.

[NYG]

Originally Posted by F82KPowers

Maybe the instructor's experience level, especially with his comfort with more slip than an ordinary track visitor (1st timer at that), allowed him to go flat out through esses? Of significance, we don't know the severity of the esses... it's not THAT uncommon to go flat out on esses when the best line is basically straight.

A rental mustang gt on all-seasons would never have the grip to go flat out after T2 even if Senna was driving it.

EDIT: Plus the line only starts to straighten after the first right hand curbing of the esses.

[NYG]

Originally Posted by OhioRiderAaron

There's normally only a few handfuls of instructors that run moderately quick laptimes at any given event. There's a very small chance anyone is going thru T2-4 flat out at Watkins. I think it's about halfway thru you can go back to full throttle depending on the car/setup, but maybe some of the faster drivers/racers will chime in to confirm, I could be wrong.

Don't qualify as a fast driver or racer but I agree 100%. Depending on how light or powerful the car is, non-factory aero appears to be a minimum.

[Montaver]

Originally Posted by NYG

A rental mustang gt on all-seasons would never have the grip to go flat out after T2 even if Senna was driving it.

EDIT: Plus the line only starts to straighten after the first right hand curbing of the esses.

I was in the passenger seat, guy told me he wasn't lifting and I couldn't detect any lift. Also consider a base 5.0 Mustang is not as fast as an F80. My GT4 can go flat from T1 to bus stop, and I'm running Cup2's not R comps. Takes some cojones though

Regardless my point was you can have good track fun with all seasons, they have plenty of lateral grip and will talk all day. A set of AS/4's probably aren't far off an older tire like super sports, they will just overheat quicker. Tire tech has come a huge distance in 10 years.

[NYG]

Originally Posted by Montaver

I was in the passenger seat, guy told me he wasn't lifting and I couldn't detect any lift. Also consider a base 5.0 Mustang is not as fast as an F80. My GT4 can go flat from T1 to bus stop, and I'm running Cup2's not R comps. Takes some cojones though

Regardless my point was you can have good track fun with all seasons, they have plenty of lateral grip and will talk all day. A set of AS/4's probably aren't far off an older tire like super sports, they will just overheat quicker. Tire tech has come a huge distance in 10 years.

You're just a porsche cunt m8.

[jfritz27]

Originally Posted by NYG

I'd rethink my life if he managed to go flat with a stock rental mustang on all seasons.

That's too funny