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      01-08-2019, 01:01 PM   #1
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Need a crash course on 2015 M3 standard and optional equipment

Please and thank you.

Looking to move up from my 435i to an M3. I want the four doors. And I am going to get a daily and garage the M a bit. So I am interested in this car.

https://www.warwickautopark.com/inve...mw-m3-6-speed/

Given that it's not at a BMW dealership, info on the car is limited. I need a crash course on the M options. What are the big ticket options? And is this car missing them? The rims were added. It doesn’t have the Competition package (since its a 2015). For example, my 435i MSport had Dynamic Handling and Adaptive M, etc. - big ticket options.

When an M3 is deemed "base" whats it really missing?

I am sorry as I know this info is searchable, but I’m looking to get a good working knowledge of these cars fast. I like this one and it could move quick.
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Looks to be a very low mileage "civic"/base M3 with 666M wheels and Black badges. I don't see any other options on there. Price is a little high IMO.
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      01-08-2019, 01:09 PM   #3
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It looks to have Carbon Structure Cloth seats, LED headlights are obvious. It also appears lowered to me.

Does not appear to have: adaptive suspension, full leather dash.

You could do a VIN Decode to get full details?
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Seems high for a stripped down build. ZCP is the biggest item, fwiw, esp on the early models. It's not just about the extra power, it's also the diff changes.

Not sure how you feel about no leather seats, that'd be an issue for me.
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      01-08-2019, 01:11 PM   #5
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It sure looks like it got the visual parts of a competition package - or at least most of the visible accoutrements such as the 666M wheels, the shadowline model designations, etc. I also believe (although I am not certain) that the vehicle has Comp seats and the CF dash pieces that my comp pack has.

Then again, it doesn't appear to have the M seat belt stitching - so perhaps someone spent the money to make it look like a Comp Pkg M3 . . .

In short, in general, the Comp Pkg is worth the extra cash - at least in my mind. Opinions can vary, however.

Edit to add: Just saw the lack of adaptive suspension. Seems like a bunch of cash was poured into this for visible, popular changes, but they ignored the heart of the matter. I'd pass unless you would forgo the Com Pkg anyway based on your own wishes.
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It sure looks like it got the visual parts of a competition package - or at least most of the visible accoutrements such as the 666M wheels, the shadowline model designations, etc. I also believe (although I am not certain) that the vehicle has Comp seats and the CF dash pieces that my comp pack has.

Then again, it doesn't appear to have the M seat belt stitching - so perhaps someone spent the money to make it look like a Comp Pkg M3 . . .

In short, in general, the Comp Pkg is worth the extra cash - at least in my mind. Opinions can vary, however.
Not a Competition Package as they weren't offered in 15. Comp seats have a noticeable holes in them, etc.
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really appreciate these responses.

So whats deal with seats? They arent the comp seats. The full comp package wasnt available in 2015 to my knowledge,

What does ZCP refer to? edit: oh this is the comp package?

How do i know if this has adaptive suspension?

Thanks again!
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      01-08-2019, 01:34 PM   #8
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I work about 2 mins from this dealer. Haven't heard anything bad about them and they always seem to carry a decent inventory.
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really appreciate these responses.

So whats deal with seats? They arent the comp seats. The full comp package wasnt available in 2015 to my knowledge,

What does ZCP refer to? edit: oh this is the comp package?

How do i know if this has adaptive suspension?

Thanks again!
Not a for sure way to tell but not having the icon the middle button on the drivers side of the shifter is a small sign it doesn't. The three buttons are throttle, suspension, steering.
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Not a for sure way to tell but not having the icon the middle button on the drivers side of the shifter is a small sign it doesn't. The three buttons are throttle, suspension, steering.
exactly....thats what i saw and saw something missing.
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https://www.mdecoder.com/decode/p806148

Had the following optioned:

ZLP Lighting Package, includes adaptive LED's and auto high beams
415 Power Rear Sunshade
2VY 19" 437M's
688 HK Surround Sound


...and that's about it. Sticker was ~$67k. ~25% depreciation from sticker on a ~4 y/o car that's probably got months left on the factory warranty isn't a good deal at all IMO.
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Agree it does not have competition package that did not exist at the time, despite the wheels. The seats are also not CP seats and neither is the grill surround. I don’t think it has adaptive suspension either based on picture where you can see shifter. Looks like an over-priced stripper.
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No adaptive suspension is fine, but you'll want to get a nice set of coilovers. I'd look closely at the suspension, see if it has aftermarket coil overs?

Nevertheless, if you like the car and can get it for a good price, go for it. Wholesale value is probably about $36-$38K on that car, so if they'd accept $40-42K form you that might be OK if you really like the car.

Be advised it will be out of factory warranty soon. Use that as leverage. Say "I'm worried about owning a high performance car with no warranty".
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      01-08-2019, 02:01 PM   #14
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well my 435 has all the big ticket items
Off the top of my head it has
1) mperformance power kit which is like a $2500 port installed option consisting of engine tune, intake and exhaust. This is all factory stuff which adds 35hp.
2) M adaptive - this is rare and expensive for a regular 4 series.
3) dynamic handling
4) msport aero which is literally the M aero package minus the wide body. So same front and rear bumpers as this car.
5) cold weather package.
6)upgraded 19inch rims

Its msrp was in the 60-70k range itself.

I was honestly thinking my car plus 15k. My car has 47k miles. needs tires.
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well my 435 has all the big ticket items
Off the top of my head it has
1) mperformance power kit which is like a $2500 port installed option consisting of engine tune, intake and exhaust. This is all factory stuff which adds 35hp.
2) M adaptive - this is rare and expensive for a regular 4 series.
3) dynamic handling
4) msport aero which is literally the M aero package minus the wide body. So same front and rear bumpers as this car.
5) cold weather package.
6)upgraded 19inch rims

Its msrp was in the 60-70k range itself.

I was honestly thinking my car plus 15k. My car has 47k miles. needs tires.
It's a bit tricky when trading "regular" bmw for an M, your 435 has big items but 435 itself isn't one which brings the value way bellow it should be. It happened to me as well, trading 335is, always thought it was special car and it turned out to be just a decent E92 which was disappointing in the end.

If you like having as many options as possible it might be better to find different M3. This one is bare minimum with led headlights, sunshade and 20'' rims. It does have few more standard options over the regular 3 series but still, there's few more perks available.

Here's more info about options https://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=972784

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It's a bit tricky when trading "regular" bmw for an M, your 435 has big items but 435 itself isn't one which brings the value way bellow it should be. It happened to me as well, trading 335is, always thought it was special car and it turned out to be just a decent E92 which was disappointing in the end.
Agreed, added options usually aren't value added items when it comes to resale for any cars. People usually get more when they part out and sell the car stock in the end (when it comes to aftermarket items).
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Wondering the feel of the ride quality on 20" 666M without the M adaptive suspension? Might be too harsh without adaptive, 19" rim might be preferred as the ZCP package also offered 19".

Priced way to high as others have stated.
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https://www.mdecoder.com/decode/p806148

Had the following optioned:

ZLP Lighting Package, includes adaptive LED's and auto high beams
415 Power Rear Sunshade
2VY 19" 437M's
688 HK Surround Sound


...and that's about it. Sticker was ~$67k. ~25% depreciation from sticker on a ~4 y/o car that's probably got months left on the factory warranty isn't a good deal at all IMO.
Second this. I picked up my '15 DCT with 20k and the following options for $42,000 back in May of last year:

Exec Package
Lighting Package
Driver Assistance
Full Merino
Power Rear Sunshade
Sunroof
Adaptive M suspension
HK Sound
Enhanced bluetooth
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It is priced to high. All these boutique type places try this. And when it sits they eventually come down. Anyways. Ct ny nj always have a tax on top

So it looks like this thing is a base or close to it. It’s still in the running but I’d have to do really well on the price for it to work. I don’t need every option but the sporty options I do need. It sounds like I have to have the dynamic suspension.

I really appreciate all the guidance. This got me up to speed quick.

The issue with the 435i is I put 27k on it one year. My commute is too far. Yet the car isn’t special enough to garage. So the plan is to cut my losses. Sell it. Get an M and an old accord for daily use. I’ll put 8-10k miles a year on it.
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Second this. I picked up my '15 DCT with 20k and the following options for $42,000 back in May of last year:

Exec Package
Lighting Package
Driver Assistance
Full Merino
Power Rear Sunshade
Sunroof
Adaptive M suspension
HK Sound
Enhanced bluetooth
I want to say congrats on that great deal! But the screen name makes me second guess that he's being sincere....
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It looks like it has very few options, with the only added cost options besides metallic paint being the LED headlights and Harman Kardon sound system.

Options missing:
  • Executive Package
  • DCT
  • CCB
  • Driver's assitance package
  • Adaptive suspension
  • Extended or Full leather interior
  • Side and top view cameras
  • Parking Assistant
It does have some modifications such as the 666M wheels, black M3 rear badge, black exhaust tips, lowered suspension and wheel spacers. It's missing the blacked out kidney grill and side gills for the complete ZCP look. It also has the regular seats and not ZCP ones, as opposed to what was posted previously.

See here for the 2015 pricing guide for a comprehensive view of cost options and standard features: https://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=948086
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I agree with everyone here and ty for the feedback.

The deal wont work right now. They will do "ok" on my car but wont budge from the 50k. Which is a little over priced as its missing the adaptive handling which is big deal and its modified and isnt CPO. Pretty much everyone is saying its high. I think they will ultimately come down to 45k. But even then not sure it fits for me with the adaptive missing.

Maybe once they come down to earth i can do it and add coilovers.
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