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Think the car sounds awesome - but only when winding it out. Low RPM/startup is brutal - but the soundtrack (and yes, I have the Active Sound on), is really nice to me when the RPMs are up there. Not saying it compares to your former E92 - but then again, this is a 6 cylinder. and the E92...I was very surprised when I test drove one how over boosted the steering felt compared to a 335 (which required some serious effort). So to me, the steering in the F80 feels better (from what I remember 7 years ago) - and even though I think it uses the same rack as the M2, I find the F80 M3 steering with ZCP to be far superior (I always had this large dead spot in the M2). And the ride - well, I do drive around in comfort all the time - most people who went from a 2016 to a 2018 ZCP seem to say the ride is so much improved (even with the 666 wheels) - thus I'm curious what you think. And I got rid of the M2 because of the ride - give that car an adjustable suspension and it would be perfect. One question however... your post seems to indicate you went from a F90/G30 to a F80 and regret it - but/and, I'm not sure that is the case?
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I went E46 - E90 - F82 GTS. I don't regret selling the E90, but I did wish I never sold the E46...to the point that I bought another E46 M3 last week. Not sure yet if I'm keeping the GTS but I have a feeling that the only thing that would make me regret selling it (if I did sell it) would be if it started to gain value as a limited edition...which honestly doesn't look likely
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I have active sound turned off- I hated how unnatural it sounded...but I completely disagree with you on the F8X sound. A Supra, GTR, Porsche 911, E46 M3, E36 M3, heck a 335i all were able to be high performing six cylinders and still sound very nice to amazing. I owned an E90 328i M Sport at the same time as my E92 M3. You're absolutely correct, my E90s steering was way heavier than the e92....to the point where my wife refused to drive my E90 for any purpose because she hated the heavy steering. The E92 M3 steering was the perfect balance for me- it had enough heft and feel to be confident in corners, but yet supple enough to drive casually. The F80 steering is either too light or too heavy. I admit I haven't driven a ZCP, but the S55 engine sound alone dissuades me from even thinking about a trade up to a ZCP car. It's just not a good sounding motor. You hear something like a Corvette, a Porsche 911, an S2000 (stock), or any other generation M3 roar by and you can stop and admire the sound - irrespective that it's fast or slow. As I said, if the car sounded great, I'd forgive the brittle ride and the steering. Quote:
Not sure how the value will hold up in the long term, but I'd venture to guess a Cayman GT4 will hold it's value better over time than the GTS. Right now both cars are sub $100K but it appears that the GTS is trending downwards and the GT4's are holding steady. Again total apologies to the OP for derailing the thread. Last edited by UGADawgFan; 08-19-2018 at 01:39 AM.. |
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So I thought I'd update my thread after I have had my m5 a few months. I am happy to report I have zero regrets now. I actually think this is the best car I have ever driven. It is no ferrari or porsche gt2rs, but for a super sedan, there is nothing better. And I don't think it gives anything up to my previous f80. It is bigger, and not quite as tossable, but the traction is so immense with awd. The power is unlike anything I have experienced before, outside of a 911 turbo. The amg e63s has the same power, but the car just isn't as refined and the ride quality is so harsh in comparison. I also have to say that the character of the m5c vs the m5 is also different. It is slightly firmer, which I prefer, and the exhaust note is so much better. The engine sounds great in my opinion, especially compared to the f80. There is a low down growl that the f80 did not have, and you can actually hear the exhaust in the m5c compared to the m5. Overall, no regrets! I was worried for nothing. This is my favorite car I have owned so far, but that probably also has something to do with the fact that I'm in my 40's now and my tastes and needs have changed somewhat. Either way, I don't think anyone else looking to take the plunge on an f90 will be disappointed coming from an f8x. Here are a few pics of my car!!
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That garage picture got me a bit excited
Congrats! Love the F90, especially in white Also interesting read for all the F80 vs Camaro posts. Having driven both in the canyons I gotta say I agree with most of the points made |
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Honestly, I wouldn't do it. I made the move from F82 to F90. Is F90 a much better luxury car? yes. But you lose a lot of the sporty feeling. It really depends on what you're looking for. I also bought a lotus Evora 400 so I had a sports car to go back and forth from. If it was my only car then I would just stick with an M3/M4.
Edit. Just saw that you already bought it. Congrats!
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Refreshing to see someone that appreciates the f80 vs older gens and not spewing the "bMwS aREnt tHe sAmE aNymOrE they arE nOt eNgaGiNg".
But if you are tracking the e90 I wouldn't miss the f80 as much with the f90. The f90 is a missle beast in its own right and if you say you're not tracking the f80 or f90, the f90 is definitely the better daily. I always hoped for an m3 and m5 simultaneously in driveway regardless of the generation. |
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I moved from an f82 to f90 as well, I have no regrets. I've had the m5 for about 5 months.
For a daily it's tough to beat. It's faster than the f8x in nearly every way... the chassis doesn't get upset as easily so it's a more enjoyable street car... and although the m4 has an awesome turn-in the corner exit of the f90 is more fun... to me at least. F90 felt huge the first couple weeks of ownership, but it hides its weight and size well when you push it on the back roads. Sounds better, awesome updated interior, and I dropped the back seats and slid a boxed 60inch tv in the trunk... then crushed a Camaro from a stop light while my wife was getting a back massage from the massage seats. Plus, for $800 you can get it to 700+ HP and break all four wheels loose on a lunch, and run mid 10s. But the f90 is expensive, it's a different level. And At 37 I appreciate the added comfort and features, but it wouldn't be worth the price over an M4 just for the gained performance. You have to care about the other stuff. With all that said I loved my m4, it was really fun and can't wait to see what the next gen is all about. Also I think the f8x looks better too.. I love the front end of the m3/4. F90 is a bit too tame up front. the m4 is a more raw experience, less comfortable, less insulated, DCT, wheel spin all the time, touchy throttle and etc.. to me that's not more sporty, but to some it is. We have great choices with cars these days and are lucky to own an M no matter which one. I bet if I jumped in an M4 I would remember things I missed.. but I don't regret the move. Anyway, all fun cars. |
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I don't think the M3 of today is what it was at it's inception years past. For thrill driving most are going M4 or M2. The M3 is the gentleman's sports sedan; Alpha and C63 also same class. Camaro tilts the scale way on the performance side. Most who buy Camaros know what they are getting compared to M3, C63 and Alpha Op congrats |
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That might be me or someone else but after a month of driving the f90 Range Rover I was back in my beloved f80 comp...... the f90 was Fast but lacks any soul, I was to heavy, the zf tranny is to soft, the throttle response didn’t change from eco to sports plus..... if they would have kept the dct or a 6sp I would have kept the car!
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