M3/M4 vs. Tesla Model 3 Performance

[dkhm3]

Originally Posted by nicknaz

Nice!! Let us know what you think. Make sure you try out the autosteer feature

Hopefully Randy P drives a model 3 perf at Ls so we can have apples to apples

thanks for the tip. where are the pics of your car?

[nicknaz]

Originally Posted by dkhm3

thanks for the tip. where are the pics of your car?

I've been too busy driving.

Here's the pic at the delivery center. Let me know if there are particular details you want pics of

[dkhm3]

Originally Posted by nicknaz

I've been too busy driving.

Here's the pic at the delivery center. Let me know if there are particular details you want pics of

beautiful.

I just got back from my test drive. I am just shocked.

Pluses:
The damn thing is instant torque and I got motion sickness. I don't there is an ICE car out there that can avoid a sudden pass from one of these top end teslas.
Extremely easy to drive- there is little learning curve other than getting used to regen braking a bit.
Steering seems precise
Lots of safety features and auto steer is amazing.
I got used to the screen instead of having gauges.

Minuses:
It is heavy and I can tell on turns there is some body roll and I wonder if it is under tired considering just the massive weight shifts on s curves.
There is instant power, but at higher speeds the torque does not replace hp/weight.
Materials/some inconsistent gaps - there were several 3's there and each car had different levels of panel gaps- not a deal breaker for me.

I think off the line there is simply no way the m3 is faster, there is all traction and all torque.

I think for me, the weight and the lack of top end hp makes it not a replacement for the m3. Don't get me wrong, on the hwy if you are not in the correct gear on the m3, the model 3 will just take off. But I have less joy driving it than I have with the M. The throttle is an on/off switch.

There is no doubt this car makes sense, little cost, little maintenance, massive performance potential, etc. This is the future.

[nicknaz]

Hey so, I wanted to follow up to mention that the rated range of 300 miles is achievable if you charge the battery to 100% and drive without heat or AC. You might need to drive yourself too so as not to need to power the radar, ultrasonic sensors etc needed by autopilot

This will get you the 4 miles per kWh needed to get 300 miles.

For day to day usage, range will be more like 200 miles since you will be changing only to 90% and will be using heater/AC and autopilot, and getting around 3 miles per kWh.

Definitely not a deal breaker by any means if you have commuted with the older 80 miles range EVs but could be a cause for disappointment for someone who hasn't owned an EV before and doesn't have an L2 charger at home.

[Fugly M3]

Originally Posted by nicknaz

Hey so, I wanted to follow up to mention that the rated range of 300 miles is achievable if you charge the battery to 100% and drive without heat or AC. You might need to drive yourself too so as not to need to power the radar, ultrasonic sensors etc needed by autopilot

This will get you the 4 miles per kWh needed to get 300 miles.

For day to day usage, range will be more like 200 miles since you will be changing only to 90% and will be using heater/AC and autopilot, and getting around 3 miles per kWh.

Definitely not a deal breaker by any means if you have commuted with the older 80 miles range EVs but could be a cause for disappointment for someone who hasn't owned an EV before and doesn't have an L2 charger at home.

Thanks for sharing this...range was a huge concern for me, given I give up no creature comforts and drive somewhat hard. I have a feeling I'd have been in the let down camp. Nonetheless, can't wait to see how much better the technology gets as we move forward. We're fast-approaching the $25k 12 second 1/4 mile car, and it's going to be a glorious time!

[nicknaz]

Originally Posted by E46M54325Ci

Thanks for sharing this...range was a huge concern for me, given I give up no creature comforts and drive somewhat hard. I have a feeling I'd have been in the let down camp. Nonetheless, can't wait to see how much better the technology gets as we move forward. We're fast-approaching the $25k 12 second 1/4 mile car, and it's going to be a glorious time!

$25k 12s 1/4 car was achieved a long time ago man. You can get a used c6 z06 and run low 11s and trap 125+ mph bone stock.

What fuel economy are you getting on your F80? Mine was around 20mpg and I would refuel around 12 gallons at a time (~240mi), so I guess I'm not seeing much range difference in my use case.

[Fugly M3]

Originally Posted by nicknaz

$25k 12s 1/4 car was achieved a long time ago man. You can get a used c6 z06 and run low 11s and trap 125+ mph bone stock.

What fuel economy are you getting on your F80? Mine was around 20mpg and I would refuel around 12 gallons at a time (~240mi), so I guess I'm not seeing much range difference in my use case.

I was referring to brand new, off the showroom floor (or rather as it will be, distribution/delivery center). Anyway, I don't have enough seat time yet and it isn't totally broken in...but my first full weekly commute last week was like 18.5 mpg range. Not great, but should get a little better.

However, when I consider how I was getting about 22 in my 230i, it's not bad at all. As I suspected with the S55, and as I experienced with the N54, the BMW turbo 6s deliver about what the sticker says they should, whereas the 4s do not, because you have to smash it to make them go. The BMW 4s are glorious when you smash them, but meh when you don't, whereas the BMW 6s are just plain old glorious period! I never had an N55, but I did have two N54s and the S55 reminds me of the fun I had in the e82 and e92...except it's MORE!

[IS350]

Originally Posted by nicknaz

Hey so, I wanted to follow up to mention that the rated range of 300 miles is achievable if you charge the battery to 100% and drive without heat or AC. You might need to drive yourself too so as not to need to power the radar, ultrasonic sensors etc needed by autopilot

This will get you the 4 miles per kWh needed to get 300 miles.

For day to day usage, range will be more like 200 miles since you will be changing only to 90% and will be using heater/AC and autopilot, and getting around 3 miles per kWh.

Definitely not a deal breaker by any means if you have commuted with the older 80 miles range EVs but could be a cause for disappointment for someone who hasn't owned an EV before and doesn't have an L2 charger at home.

Thanks. You really see that much loss in daily driving at 90%?

I was planning to mostly Supercharhe weekly to around 80 or 90%, assuming that's ok for battery life.

[nicknaz]

Originally Posted by IS350

Thanks. You really see that much loss in daily driving at 90%?

I was planning to mostly Supercharhe weekly to around 80 or 90%, assuming that's ok for battery life.

Yes, I've been using about 240-350 Wh per mile.

Need to use 250Wh per mile (and charge to full) to get the advertised range (assuming 75kwh usable battery size and 300 advertised range).

I'm fairly convinced heater usage is a key driver. On my Spark, it would cost close to 350wh per mile if I used the heater, but I would use only 200wh per mile on the same route if I used the fan only.

It doesn't much matter in the real world for commuting, but I'm trying to figure it out so I don't get a bad range surprise during my first road trip with the car

My $0.02 on battery life is recharging daily using L1 or L2 is better than recharging a big amount periodically using SC

[Fugly M3]

Originally Posted by nicknaz

Yes, I've been using about 240-350 Wh per mile.

Need to use 250Wh per mile (and charge to full) to get the advertised range (assuming 75kwh usable battery size and 300 advertised range).

I'm fairly convinced heater usage is a key driver. On my Spark, it would cost close to 350wh per mile if I used the heater, but I would use only 200wh per mile on the same route if I used the fan only.

It doesn't much matter in the real world for commuting, but I'm trying to figure it out so I don't get a bad range surprise during my first road trip with the car

My $0.02 on battery life is recharging daily using L1 or L2 is better than recharging a big amount periodically using SC

Does ac use have the same impact as heater...would be interesting if not.

[nicknaz]

Originally Posted by E46M54325Ci

Does ac use have the same impact as heater...would be interesting if not.

It's resistive heater in the Tesla (same with spark), so it absolutely uses up a bunch of power.

In my experience (from my 18 months with spark ev) AC has been less of an impact than heater, except in 100+F days when the AC is going at max effort

Either way, 200 miles real world range is workable. If that's too low for you, stick with the gasser V8s for now

[Gavyne]

For those interested:

[IS350]

Thanks for the video. As we've seen, it appears that M3 might catch these cars in a half mile. Curious how an AWD M3 May compare.

[IS350]

Originally Posted by nicknaz

Yes, I've been using about 240-350 Wh per mile.

Need to use 250Wh per mile (and charge to full) to get the advertised range (assuming 75kwh usable battery size and 300 advertised range).

I'm fairly convinced heater usage is a key driver. On my Spark, it would cost close to 350wh per mile if I used the heater, but I would use only 200wh per mile on the same route if I used the fan only.

It doesn't much matter in the real world for commuting, but I'm trying to figure it out so I don't get a bad range surprise during my first road trip with the car

My $0.02 on battery life is recharging daily using L1 or L2 is better than recharging a big amount periodically using SC

Thanks, overall that range seems lower than expected. Do you agree?

[theriz]

Not sure if this has been posted yet.

[nicknaz]

Originally Posted by IS350

Thanks, overall that range seems lower than expected. Do you agree?

Not a surprise for me. 25% difference between max range and actual because of heater, hills, etc is what I saw in my previous EV also.

It's a bit counter intuitive at first because EV usually get more range at low speed than highway, which is opposite of gas cars. I found out when I had to slow down to 50 on the freeway to get home in my first month with the spark. Whoops!!

[dkhm3]

saw that drag race...

vbox for the tesla model 3 perf
0-60 3.2
0-100 8.4
1/4 mile: 11.7 @ 114.5 mph

off the line it is even better than I thought, wow.
but definitely starts dying off at higher speeds- 0-100 is basically same as m3 and 1/4 mile the tesla has a low trap speed - basically same as m3 in this run with the m3 at 12.0 @ 114 mph.

I think at highway speeds rolling start the m3 will likely pull harder.

Amazing bargain for the tesla though, great car.

The jury is still out on the track performance, but I'd wager it won't be faster than the f8x. R and T article said something about 3 laps and the car starts to have heat soak issues with diminished results.

[XsltAnalyst]

Originally Posted by dkhm3

saw that drag race...

vbox for the tesla model 3 perf
0-60 3.2
0-100 8.4
1/4 mile: 11.7 @ 114.5 mph

off the line it is even better than I thought, wow.
but definitely starts dying off at higher speeds- 0-100 is basically same as m3 and 1/4 mile the tesla has a low trap speed - basically same as m3 in this run with the m3 at 12.0 @ 114 mph.

I think at highway speeds rolling start the m3 will likely pull harder.

Amazing bargain for the tesla though, great car.

The jury is still out on the track performance, but I'd wager it won't be faster than the f8x. R and T article said something about 3 laps and the car starts to have heat soak issues with diminished results.

I wouldn't say it's a bargain as the tesla model 3 dual motor starts at 64K, which is right around the F80's msrp. Plus you need to add 5K performance package to tesla to get a better cooling and other bits.

I guess the EV tesla is a much better commuter car, so that's a big plus.

[nicknaz]

Originally Posted by XsltAnalyst

I wouldn't say it's a bargain as the tesla model 3 dual motor starts at 64K, which is right around the F80's msrp. Plus you need to add 5K performance package to tesla to get a better cooling and other bits.

I guess the EV tesla is a much better commuter car, so that's a big plus.

You're right about commuting excellence. In stop and go traffic on a freeway, it really does feel like a self driving car.

I watch very closely for merges and exits and other breaks in the lane markings but otherwise it's great tech that's only going to get better.

[FC4]

Originally Posted by XsltAnalyst

I wouldn't say it's a bargain as the tesla model 3 dual motor starts at 64K, which is right around the F80's msrp. Plus you need to add 5K performance package to tesla to get a better cooling and other bits.

I guess the EV tesla is a much better commuter car, so that's a big plus.

You forgot to mention the BMW's $4,750 Competition Package, which this car has. At the end they mention the MSRP of their cars.

Results are completely in line with expectation. No surprises.

[IS350]

All good discussion, remember for price, the BMW is negotiable, unlike Tesla, if buying new.

Still, can't believe how far ahead the Tesla is regarding their enhanced auto pilot.

[IS350]

Originally Posted by nicknaz

Not a surprise for me. 25% difference between max range and actual because of heater, hills, etc is what I saw in my previous EV also.

It's a bit counter intuitive at first because EV usually get more range at low speed than highway, which is opposite of gas cars. I found out when I had to slow down to 50 on the freeway to get home in my first month with the spark. Whoops!!

Good to know. And you charge 80%, max?