Anyone else considering the M2 Competition as their next car?

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by marvinp

I had to Google the specs before believing this. How did they manage to make it heavier than an M4...

Quite simple, they added all the M4 go-fast goodies to the M2 but none of the weight reduction goodies.

That being said, the weight reduction items will be available as M-Performance upgrades.

[allinon72]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Quite simple, they added all the M4 go-fast goodies to the M2 but none of the weight reduction goodies.

That being said, the weight reduction items will be available as M-Performance upgrades.

Ha that is such a slap in the face of the M2 community.

[nicknaz]

Originally Posted by allinon72

Ha that is such a slap in the face of the M2 community.

Aren't there some new stuff too, like the CCB caliper with new iron rotor? That is pretty interesting, and the sort of update that a heavy track user would make anyway.

There are also new BBS wheels, all the cooling stuff and sports exhaust from m4cp, for about $60k.

That's how much my '15 f80 was, and this comes with more performance and convenient stuff, so it's interesting to me.

There's also the open question about whether there will be different tuning for nannies and suspension.

In any case, as I said earlier, I'm on the list for m2 comp but wasn't interested in n55 m2 or m3/m4 cs

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by allinon72

Ha that is such a slap in the face of the M2 community.

Not really. It is a question of how the M2 is positioned in the market. I think BMW did a great job positioning this latest iteration of the M2 from a price and performance standpoint. They answered many complaints starting with more fundamental stuff like having a true ///M "S" engine to more trivial stuff like the ///M mirrors and seats. They still need to keep the price in check though, hence why they did not include the weight reduction items in the base M2C. They however cater to the smaller crowd that do want the performance benefits of lower weight through the M-Performance aftermarket options.

[HPIA4v2]

M2 CS needs cut-out seats to save weight.

if the MSRP creeping into upper 60s, with stingy discount on M2CS compare to M4, sales number will tank.

[dongerkim]

The lease rates are so terrible, that being said, how is the used car market for the current M2? Maybe BMW doesn’t want to whore out these cars by subsidizing them but the resale market is not too bad. I would imagine the M2 6MT will do very well as the F80 6MT in the used car market

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by HPIA4v2

M2 CS needs cut-out seats to save weight.

if the MSRP creeping into upper 60s, with stingy discount on M2CS compare to M4, sales number will tank.

Don’t confuse the model hierarchy. There is no M2 CS as of yet. We’re talking M2 Competition here.

[CosmosMpower]

Originally Posted by HPIA4v2

M2 CS needs cut-out seats to save weight.

if the MSRP creeping into upper 60s, with stingy discount on M2CS compare to M4, sales number will tank.

Lol every dealer in dfw has a 7+ person wait list and allocations haven’t been released yet

[allinon72]

Originally Posted by CosmosMpower

Lol every dealer in dfw has a 7+ person wait list and allocations haven’t been released yet

A handful of enthusiasts is not indicative of overall sales. There is always initial interest in a new M model.

[Clark_Kent]

Originally Posted by allinon72

A handful of enthusiasts is not indicative of overall sales. There is always initial interest in a new M model.

+1. Not to mention it's easy to get your name on the list. Everyone is interested until it's time to pay.

[CosmosMpower]

Originally Posted by allinon72

A handful of enthusiasts is not indicative of overall sales. There is always initial interest in a new M model.

Based on MY16-18 M2, you don't think they will sell every allocation they can get for this car in 2018/2019?

[jpdchicago]

Originally Posted by Clark_Kent

+1. Not to mention it's easy to get your name on the list. Everyone is interested until it's time to pay.

Very true!

[M3_WC]

Originally Posted by CosmosMpower

Based on MY16-18 M2, you don't think they will sell every allocation they can get for this car in 2018/2019?

Availability will be similar to early M2. If you want to spec your own build, you will need to get in line for an allocation. What I want to see in 10+ years, what will be worth more similarly optioned 2019 BMW M2 Competition or 2019 M4. Just due to lower build numbers, my guess is the M2 Competition.

[dongerkim]

Originally Posted by M3_WC

Availability will be similar to early M2. If you want to spec your own build, you will need to get in line for an allocation. What I want to see in 10+ years, what will be worth more similarly optioned 2019 BMW M2 Competition or 2019 M4. Just due to lower build numbers, my guess is the M2 Competition.

+1, M2 competition. I just don’t see M4 DCT’s holding their value much at all

[Kimeran]

Anybody have a reference to where it shows that the M2C is heavier than the M3/4ZCP?
Honestly, I am kicking myself a bit with this. I would have definitely gone with the M2 Comp Pack over the M3 had I known about this when I got the M3.
I prefer smaller, nibble, go kart like cars over bigger ones. And as long as it's fun, the inferior interior (hahaha) doesn't bother me.

[Clark_Kent]

Originally Posted by Kimeran

Anybody have a reference to where it shows that the M2C is heavier than the M3/4ZCP?
Honestly, I am kicking myself a bit with this. I would have definitely gone with the M2 Comp Pack over the M3 had I known about this when I got the M3.
I prefer smaller, nibble, go kart like cars over bigger ones. And as long as it's fun, the inferior interior (hahaha) doesn't bother me.

The term "smaller" is relative. If you look at the media guides for both cars you'll see the M2 isn't as small as we believe it to be or want it to be. The M3 is approximately 9 inches longer, 1" wider, .2" taller, has a 4.7" larger wheelbase and is 7 lbs lighter. How exactly is the M2 "smaller"? Further, I've driven both extensively on a track and the M2 is not a formidable opponent on a proper track. Candidly, it's not even close. Not sure why so many seem to think the M2 and M3/M4 are homogenous.

[shortseller]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Quite simple, they added all the M4 go-fast goodies to the M2 but none of the weight reduction goodies.

That being said, the weight reduction items will be available as M-Performance upgrades.

Exactly what a good dope dealer does once we’re hooked...!

[NCThreePedals]

Originally Posted by 8_is_enough

No...heavier than an M3/4, less power, no CF roof, downmarket interior.

Plus its aesthetically unappealing to me, the rear just looks so cheap. I get the appeal in terms of the car being smaller but it's nowhere as aggressive and wide as my F82.

Interior is quite underwhelming as well

[cpxchewy]

Originally Posted by Kimeran

Anybody have a reference to where it shows that the M2C is heavier than the M3/4ZCP?
Honestly, I am kicking myself a bit with this. I would have definitely gone with the M2 Comp Pack over the M3 had I known about this when I got the M3.
I prefer smaller, nibble, go kart like cars over bigger ones. And as long as it's fun, the inferior interior (hahaha) doesn't bother me.

Technical sheet from BMW:
https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1497668

35 lbs heavier than an M4.

[Kimeran]

Originally Posted by Clark_Kent

The term "smaller" is relative. If you look at the media guides for both cars you'll see the M2 isn't as small as we believe it to be or want it to be. The M3 is approximately 9 inches longer, 1" wider, .2" taller, has a 4.7" larger wheelbase and is 7 lbs lighter. How exactly is the M2 "smaller"? Further, I've driven both extensively on a track and the M2 is not a formidable opponent on a proper track. Candidly, it's not even close. Not sure why so many seem to think the M2 and M3/M4 are homogenous.

Sorry, I was referring to people talking about it feeling cramped inside, not the outside dimensions.

[Clark_Kent]

Originally Posted by Kimeran

Sorry, I was referring to people talking about it feeling cramped inside, not the outside dimensions.

Got ya. No need to apologize.

[ShelJW]

Originally Posted by Clark_Kent

Further, I've driven both extensively on a track and the M2 is not a formidable opponent on a proper track. Candidly, it's not even close. Not sure why so many seem to think the M2 and M3/M4 are homogenous.

There's a video out that compares the new M5 to the M2 on the track.

I really thought that that is a ridiculous comparison... the M5 would smoke the M2 going away!

Well, in 4 wheel drive, the M5 blew away the M2, but when they put the M5 into two wheel mode, the M2 actually beat it on the track! The M2 was beaten on the straight aways, but was able to make up the difference in the turns.

Besides, I'm not sure most people get an M2 for the track (I've driven an M2 on the track, but it wasn't mine)