Autocar Compares F82 M4 vs C63 507 Edition

[ybbiz34]

Originally Posted by Fr1zGum

+1
If he didn't mention any words like "Benz"; "C63"; "AMG", I would think that he's commenting on some Honda Civic. Because, according to this kind of review, C63 is considered to be the worst car on the market among its rivals and overall...if it's true, I'm thanking God that I didn't get C63 and placed M4 order.

If you'd like a less emotional review of the C63 from someone that has owned 6 BMWs in the last 6 years (including BMW's flagship, the 7-Series), I'd be happy to provide one.

My experiences with BMW and Mercedes have both been excellent. Looking forward to driving the F80.

Originally Posted by bimmerj

Feel sorry for you. I got mine for US $72K. 2013, P31, CF trim and all the options offered for the C63, plus winter tires mounted on 18" AMG rims. Comparable M4 will be $100k in Canada

Absolutely gorgeous! You scored a great deal, too.

I just detailed mine today.





And I have plenty of toys: Navigation, Mercedes-Benz Apps, Back-Up Camera, Lane Assist, Blind Spot Assist, Bluetooth Connectivity w/ Audio Streaming, Harman/Kardon LOGIC7, SIRIUS, Integrated Garage Door Opener, Heated Seats, Sliding/Tilting Sunroof, Keyless-Go, Voice Control, Hard-Drive w/ Music Register, SD-Slot, etc.

I'm very impressed with the array of technological features, considering that the W204 is going to be replaced in a year. It would be laughable if the F80/F82 had less technology than a design that is 6-7 years old.

[bimmerj]

Originally Posted by ybbiz34

If you'd like a less emotional review of the C63 from someone that has owned 6 BMWs in the last 6 years (including BMW's flagship, the 7-Series), I'd be happy to provide one.

My experiences with BMW and Mercedes have both been excellent. Looking forward to driving the F80.



Absolutely gorgeous! You scored a great deal, too.

I just detailed mine today.





And I have plenty of toys: Navigation, Mercedes-Benz Apps, Back-Up Camera, Lane Assist, Blind Spot Assist, Bluetooth Connectivity w/ Audio Streaming, Harman/Kardon LOGIC7, SIRIUS, Integrated Garage Door Opener, Heated Seats, Sliding/Tilting Sunroof, Keyless-Go, Voice Control, Hard-Drive w/ Music Register, SD-Slot, etc.

I'm very impressed with the array of technological features, considering that the W204 is going to be replaced in a year. It would be laughable if the F80/F82 had less technology than a design that is 6-7 years old.

Nice. Such an awesome colour!!

[dondula]

Originally Posted by IS3andME

Dude you could have killed yourself. If you knew what you were doing, take it to a parking lot. You just want to justify your actions.
Like using race car drivers as examples. Are you one?


Also, didn't you say that you got the Mercedes because you needed a car and that they had that at the time? Yet you paid for it. You sat in it, and you drove it off the lot, so why complain about 72k for fake leather. i don't get it.

You see, I deal with these issues---guys who drift at night and wreck their cars, or wreck others property...and have this ho-hum attitude.

As far as the gripes, you had very minor ones. Like a woman I know who has a complaint about her GT-R's tires and interior...a car she didn't pay for.

Yes, we all make mistakes, but i've personally have seen mistakes like yours, and the person was dead. And that's where I'm coming from.

I cannot even respond to you anymore, that is just how silly you are..

No one is dying at 38mph drift unless the car blows up, which is a stretch.
You were not there yet you think you're an expert of what actually happened.

If I want to F my car up, I can do so. You mean to tell me with your boy scout attitude you have never once in your life done an irresponsible thing on a public road? Road rage, race, change lanes aggressively, enjoy the throttle of your sport car, ran a red etc etc... Don't lecture me on your BS.

I can complain about 72k for fake leather because I am reviewing the car. I bought it, sat in it, stained it etc. Now I am sharing my experiences and you have a problem? bringing up air conditioning and using that against me when that was one of SEVERAL complaint's.. The original review is comparing a 109K 507 pack c63 to a 80k M4?

Last response to you and just because I don't respond to your next idiotic post, doesn't mean you beat me on the debate, just mean's you can't argue with insanity.

[DiscoZ]

Originally Posted by TC M3

I had 3 e92 m3's and 2 mb c63's

M3 is a more balanced car but I prefer the C63

Agreed. I owned both and traded my E92 M3 for a 2012 C63. I drove a pre-2012 and only remembered the motor. It all changed with 2012. If it had been 200lbs lighter and had a better transmission, it would be the perfect car. Most comments here are either subjective or tinged by negative experience.

Having tracked both extensively, I found the M3 slightly more nimble on tighter tracks, albeit with a bit less steering feel and crappier brakes (besides being slower, but that didn't matter on the tracks as much). It also lacked torque down low, as I thought it was a bit heavy for its motor - and what a beautiful motor the S65 is - matched to the right chassis, but crippled on weight, steering and brakes (especially brakes, so disappointing).

Interior is subjective - I thought the materials on the M3 were better, but it looked like Darth Vadar's toilet, all black and boring. My C63C had the performance package with LSD, CF, etc. so it was all loaded and pretty nice looking. Liked the flat bottomed steering, but preferred the M3's chunky steering wheel.

Of course, the C63 sounded epic. It's biggest flaw was it's transmission. My M3 was 6spd so I didn't have the DCT. Note that Canadian C63's with the performance package have a firmed (P30) suspension vs. the same car in the US.

[gthal]

The 507 is a fast car, for sure. It's not that "ez" to get 3.5 as lots haven't and have been in the 3.8s + range.

[accce]

I had a 507 and as I said before it has more kick in the ass feel off the line.

[gthal]

Originally Posted by accce

I had a 507 and as I said before it has more kick in the ass feel off the line.

I haven't driven the 507 but they are great cars, I'm certain. Most instrumented tests, however, would put the M4 and 507 pretty darn close in acceleration. My personal bet is the 507 is marginally faster if that matters to someone... I'm more a road course kind of person where the 507 won't really stand a chance with its weight and overheating auto... but that's just me. Outside of a road course, C63's are fantastic cars

[accce]

Originally Posted by gthal

I haven't driven the 507 but they are great cars, I'm certain. Most instrumented tests, however, would put the M4 and 507 pretty darn close in acceleration. My personal bet is the 507 is marginally faster if that matters to someone... I'm more a road course kind of person where the 507 won't really stand a chance... but that's just me.

I agree completely. The 507 is a pig compared to the new M3/M4 and older M3. Thats why I had one and my M4 will be here hopefully in a few weeks.

[ybbiz34]

I'm not really interested in the F80/F82 vs. 507 discussion. The 507 is the W204 C63 in the last year of a model run. It's an 8-year-old design.

Is it impressive that the 507 can hang with the brand new F80/F82? Yes. But it's equally as impressive that the lighter, slightly less powerful F80/F82 can put down such great straight line numbers.

The proper comparison will be the W205 C63 - 476 hp in the standard version and 510 hp in the "S" model.

The W205 will also weigh 220+ lbs (at least) less than the W204.

[M3guy3]

Originally Posted by ybbiz34

I'm not really interested in the F80/F82 vs. 507 discussion. The 507 is the W204 C63 in the last year of a model run. It's an 8-year-old design.

Is it impressive that the 507 can hang with the brand new F80/F82? Yes. But it's equally as impressive that the lighter, slightly less powerful F80/F82 can put down such great straight line numbers.

The proper comparison will be the W205 C63 - 476 hp in the standard version and 510 hp in the "S" model.

The W205 will also weigh 220+ lbs (at least) less than the W204.

Its amazing how the A W204 can hang with a new generation on the straight always. that new C63 AMG with the 4.0L I hope will be faster.

[J50]

Originally Posted by ybbiz34

I'm not really interested in the F80/F82 vs. 507 discussion. The 507 is the W204 C63 in the last year of a model run. It's an 8-year-old design.

Is it impressive that the 507 can hang with the brand new F80/F82? Yes. But it's equally as impressive that the lighter, slightly less powerful F80/F82 can put down such great straight line numbers.

The proper comparison will be the W205 C63 - 476 hp in the standard version and 510 hp in the "S" model.

The W205 will also weigh 220+ lbs (at least) less than the W204.

And the big question is what transmission will it have?

[Jimjamz]

The traditionalists post on these forums are quite ironic to me. How many f80/f82 haters dissed the untraditional move to v8 7 years ago and are now moaning the move to turbocharging?

Mark my words, in 10 years when M moves to electric engines, all the current F80/F82 haters will be moaning the move from petrol combustion engines and crying out to collect the S65s.

Just saying.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Jimjamz

The traditionalists post on these forums are quite ironic to me. How many f80/f82 haters dissed the untraditional move to v8 7 years ago and are now moaning the move to turbocharging?

Mark my words, in 10 years when M moves to electric engines, all the current F80/F82 haters will be moaning the move from petrol combustion engines and crying out to collect the S65s.

Just saying.

It would seem that you may be one of the old guard. I agree 100%.