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[minn19]

Originally Posted by CT_M3

Completely in agreement here. I pray and hope it's just a scare and nothing comes out of it in the end. My mom has been pretty much limited to her home most of the past 2 years just because of this possible scenario, the same with my uncles and aunts.

I really think at times to myself, that we are seeing the dissolution of societal norms and our civilization. These 2 years, actually the past 5, have seen the deterioration of trust across the world and in societies. I'm desperately thinking of how this will reverse but haven't come to any solution that doesn't involve some global catastrophe. We are so divided, so intolerant that no willingness to work for the common good seems to exist or able to bring everyone together.

Sometimes, I think we here on the boards are so shallow to just fixate on stupid cars and mods when underneath us, darker forces are stirring and that someday soon, cars will be last thing on our minds. But then I realize that for some of us, this is an escape from the reality that is swirling around us.

An example of going off the deep end and spreading the nonsense:
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/11/10/m...ned/index.html

With every day, this world and country is looking less and less like anything I recognize. My prayers are with you and your family.

I think most of us know we are fucked. Cars are just an easy distraction from thinking about how we will be fucked.

Yes I’ve been tonight.

[GrussGott]

Originally Posted by minn19

I think most of us know we are fucked. Cars are just an easy distraction from thinking about how we will be fucked.

Yes I’ve been tonight.

Pretty much - the people who want conflict are fewer, but want it more than the people who want peace, who are greater, but unwilling to fight for it.

[Lups]

Originally Posted by CT_M3

Completely in agreement here. I pray and hope it's just a scare and nothing comes out of it in the end. My mom has been pretty much limited to her home most of the past 2 years just because of this possible scenario, the same with my uncles and aunts.

I really think at times to myself, that we are seeing the dissolution of societal norms and our civilization. These 2 years, actually the past 5, have seen the deterioration of trust across the world and in societies. I'm desperately thinking of how this will reverse but haven't come to any solution that doesn't involve some global catastrophe. We are so divided, so intolerant that no willingness to work for the common good seems to exist or able to bring everyone together.

Sometimes, I think we here on the boards are so shallow to just fixate on stupid cars and mods when underneath us, darker forces are stirring and that someday soon, cars will be last thing on our minds. But then I realize that for some of us, this is an escape from the reality that is swirling around us.

An example of going off the deep end and spreading the nonsense:
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/11/10/m...ned/index.html

With every day, this world and country is looking less and less like anything I recognize. My prayers are with you and your family.

I agree with every word you wrote, well done chap!

The kid is fine, the cancer patients have had boosters and sadly I'm still mad. We have a very mild case going on with 3 fully vaccinated people in the house so we have all the toilet paper we'll need for the decade and not a roll will be borrowed any fuckers who can't provide a proof of shots.
The mad ain't going away. That worries me.

[Lups]

Originally Posted by minn19

I think most of us know we are fucked. Cars are just an easy distraction from thinking about how we will be fucked.

Yes I’ve been tonight.

I had a pint too, so I have to agree with you. It ain't gonna be be 69, the summer or the position for sure

[The Chaddening]

Any maxx vaxxers in chat? Boosted JNJ and Pfizer today, feeling pretty good for some reason have a strong urge to start HRT.

[Lups]

Originally Posted by The Chaddening

Any maxx vaxxers in chat? Boosted JNJ and Pfizer today, feeling pretty good for some reason have a strong urge to start HRT.

The age limit for a booster currently here is 60 so I'll be waiting mine for 21 years if the rules won't change.

I'm still so fucking mad, boiling mad over the fucktards who won't bother with the shots. One of those moms contacted me after my son got it and told me this proves the vaccinated are the issue. I kept my cool and told her very kindly to shove her Facebook feed up in her arse and in keep with my positive attitude I reminded her my weirdo son is the only reason her kid has passed most subjects during their 5 year long friendship.
"I guess since my son is the issue, you're okay with your son not coming to my house to study for hours on end most weekdays? Mkay, bye."
Not my best moment but he'll, not my worst either. I can't stand the bitch.

[The Chaddening]

Originally Posted by Lups

The age limit for a booster currently here is 60 so I'll be waiting mine for 21 years if the rules won't change.

I'm still so fucking mad, boiling mad over the fucktards who won't bother with the shots. One of those moms contacted me after my son got it and told me this proves the vaccinated are the issue. I kept my cool and told her very kindly to shove her Facebook feed up in her arse and in keep with my positive attitude I reminded her my weirdo son is the only reason her kid has passed most subjects during their 5 year long friendship.
"I guess since my son is the issue, you're okay with your son not coming to my house to study for hours on end most weekdays? Mkay, bye."
Not my best moment but he'll, not my worst either. I can't stand the bitch.

60?! It's like... hello people, have you woken up and smelled the science? These boosters should be administered at birth.

Antivaxxers should be rounded up by the government at this point - no reason not to. Australia and NZ had the right approach, sometimes democracy needs to step aside when we are dealing with bioterrorist chuds! And hey, if you get covid while vaxxed that just means it's working! Had a trumper giving me shit on facebook about having myocarditis, at least I don't have covid!!

[Lups]

Originally Posted by The Chaddening

60?! It's like... hello people, have you woken up and smelled the science? These boosters should be administered at birth.

Antivaxxers should be rounded up by the government at this point - no reason not to. Australia and NZ had the right approach, sometimes democracy needs to step aside when we are dealing with bioterrorist chuds! And hey, if you get covid while vaxxed that just means it's working! Had a trumper giving me shit on facebook about having myocarditis, at least I don't have covid!!

I like the Austrian model of isolating everyone without shots over the age limit the EU currently has for the vaccines.
I got my second shot in August so I still have time for that to wear down, especially since I'm living with a positive case. I'd still sign up for a booster ASAP.

[The Chaddening]

https://twitter.com/digichud/status/...999214084?s=20

[The Chaddening]

Originally Posted by Lups

I like the Austrian model of isolating everyone without shots over the age limit the EU currently has for the vaccines.
I got my second shot in August so I still have time for that to wear down, especially since I'm living with a positive case. I'd still sign up for a booster ASAP.

If you haven't had 3 boosters by now you're a fascist in my book - just sayin'.

[The Chaddening]

How you guys feeling about the Rittenhouse trial?

[Joekerr]

LOL at Chaddening trolling away.

I haven't checked this thread in probably half a year now, I bet I missed a lot of good stuff.

And Lups - I emailed you as requested.

So, serious question for those with kids (and now I sort of see the answer to my question in my email Lups) - why or why would you not vaccinate your kids?

Here's my basic understanding of the shot:
- It doesn't prevent you from getting COVID
- It doesn't prevent you from spreading COVID
- It should prevent you from getting seriously sick from COVID / dying
- Followup to above, it should also therefore prevent the hospital system from getting overwhelmed because you shouldn't get seriously sick
- It is currently unknown precisely how long the efficacy of the vaccine lasts, if boosters are required, when, and how often are also unknown.
- The long term side effects of the vaccine are also unknown, though some short term side effects have emerged.
- The drug companies (at least in North America) are conducting their own studies to conclude on whether it is safe to use in children 5-11. No hint of a bias at all, probably should just accept the results of what a profit orientated company says if it makes them money AND they can't be sued either in the event something goes wrong.

If you can get and spread covid as a vaccinated person, I'm not sure I understand the argument that you are somehow harming others by not getting the shot more so than a vaccinated person who could also do the same? The best support I can come up with for this argument is that the virus should potentially last longer in a non vaccinated person, and therefore could spread for longer / mutate to a different strain. That's not a bad argument.

Not sure I buy that it protects those who can't get the shot simply because this this is a world event. If it were somehow isolated to a country / countries where if we got vaccinated, it would burn itself out, then I'd agree with that argument. But pragmatically, I see no chance that everyone is going to get vaccinated, therefore, I see COVID becoming like the flu. Still deadly, but more of an endemic that we learn to live with because it just isn't going away. And if that's the case, and vaccinated people can still get it and pass it, then it seems to me that everyone is still a potential threat to those who cannot be vaccinated.

There are of course a lot of conspiracy theories out there, some are saying that this could have an impact on reproductive health of girls...maybe, but I think the main reason this has gained traction is that we don't know enough about the vaccine to conclusively state one way or another.

But it is a new delivery system and so all that said - even though probably most of us have the shot, given kids have effectively zero chance of mortality from this, and we don't know long term effects - would you give it to your kids? Why or why not?

I'm honestly on the fence about it. Both my wife and I got the vaccine, but it was for our own reasons.

[Captain Blood]

Originally Posted by Joekerr

LOL at Chaddening trolling away.

I haven't checked this thread in probably half a year now, I bet I missed a lot of good stuff.

And Lups - I emailed you as requested.

So, serious question for those with kids (and now I sort of see the answer to my question in my email Lups) - why or why would you not vaccinate your kids?

Here's my basic understanding of the shot:
- It doesn't prevent you from getting COVID
- It doesn't prevent you from spreading COVID
- It should prevent you from getting seriously sick from COVID / dying
- Followup to above, it should also therefore prevent the hospital system from getting overwhelmed because you shouldn't get seriously sick
- It is currently unknown precisely how long the efficacy of the vaccine lasts, if boosters are required, when, and how often are also unknown.
- The long term side effects of the vaccine are also unknown, though some short term side effects have emerged.
- The drug companies (at least in North America) are conducting their own studies to conclude on whether it is safe to use in children 5-11. No hint of a bias at all, probably should just accept the results of what a profit orientated company says if it makes them money AND they can't be sued either in the event something goes wrong.

If you can get and spread covid as a vaccinated person, I'm not sure I understand the argument that you are somehow harming others by not getting the shot more so than a vaccinated person who could also do the same? The best support I can come up with for this argument is that the virus should potentially last longer in a non vaccinated person, and therefore could spread for longer / mutate to a different strain. That's not a bad argument.

Not sure I buy that it protects those who can't get the shot simply because this this is a world event. If it were somehow isolated to a country / countries where if we got vaccinated, it would burn itself out, then I'd agree with that argument. But pragmatically, I see no chance that everyone is going to get vaccinated, therefore, I see COVID becoming like the flu. Still deadly, but more of an endemic that we learn to live with because it just isn't going away. And if that's the case, and vaccinated people can still get it and pass it, then it seems to me that everyone is still a potential threat to those who cannot be vaccinated.

There are of course a lot of conspiracy theories out there, some are saying that this could have an impact on reproductive health of girls...maybe, but I think the main reason this has gained traction is that we don't know enough about the vaccine to conclusively state one way or another.

But it is a new delivery system and so all that said - even though probably most of us have the shot, given kids have effectively zero chance of mortality from this, and we don't know long term effects - would you give it to your kids? Why or why not?

I'm honestly on the fence about it. Both my wife and I got the vaccine, but it was for our own reasons.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...ess/index.html

I got this off the mayo clinic website:
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/2021...immunity-works
"According to CDC data, at the height of the Delta surge in August, fully vaccinated people were six times less likely to get a COVID-19 infection compared with unvaccinated people, and 11 times less likely to die if they did get it."

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-...e/art-20484859

[Joekerr]

Originally Posted by Captain Blood

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...ess/index.html

I got this off the mayo clinic website:
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/2021...immunity-works
"According to CDC data, at the height of the Delta surge in August, fully vaccinated people were six times less likely to get a COVID-19 infection compared with unvaccinated people, and 11 times less likely to die if they did get it."

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-...e/art-20484859

Right, and I think I've read most of that before, though I've also used Canadian sources as well. But would you, or would you not, vaccinate a 5-11 year old child if you had one today?

[minn19]

Originally Posted by Joekerr

LOL at Chaddening trolling away.

I haven't checked this thread in probably half a year now, I bet I missed a lot of good stuff.

And Lups - I emailed you as requested.

So, serious question for those with kids (and now I sort of see the answer to my question in my email Lups) - why or why would you not vaccinate your kids?

Here's my basic understanding of the shot:
- It doesn't prevent you from getting COVID
- It doesn't prevent you from spreading COVID
- It should prevent you from getting seriously sick from COVID / dying
- Followup to above, it should also therefore prevent the hospital system from getting overwhelmed because you shouldn't get seriously sick
- It is currently unknown precisely how long the efficacy of the vaccine lasts, if boosters are required, when, and how often are also unknown.
- The long term side effects of the vaccine are also unknown, though some short term side effects have emerged.
- The drug companies (at least in North America) are conducting their own studies to conclude on whether it is safe to use in children 5-11. No hint of a bias at all, probably should just accept the results of what a profit orientated company says if it makes them money AND they can't be sued either in the event something goes wrong.

If you can get and spread covid as a vaccinated person, I'm not sure I understand the argument that you are somehow harming others by not getting the shot more so than a vaccinated person who could also do the same? The best support I can come up with for this argument is that the virus should potentially last longer in a non vaccinated person, and therefore could spread for longer / mutate to a different strain. That's not a bad argument.

Not sure I buy that it protects those who can't get the shot simply because this this is a world event. If it were somehow isolated to a country / countries where if we got vaccinated, it would burn itself out, then I'd agree with that argument. But pragmatically, I see no chance that everyone is going to get vaccinated, therefore, I see COVID becoming like the flu. Still deadly, but more of an endemic that we learn to live with because it just isn't going away. And if that's the case, and vaccinated people can still get it and pass it, then it seems to me that everyone is still a potential threat to those who cannot be vaccinated.

There are of course a lot of conspiracy theories out there, some are saying that this could have an impact on reproductive health of girls...maybe, but I think the main reason this has gained traction is that we don't know enough about the vaccine to conclusively state one way or another.

But it is a new delivery system and so all that said - even though probably most of us have the shot, given kids have effectively zero chance of mortality from this, and we don't know long term effects - would you give it to your kids? Why or why not?

I'm honestly on the fence about it. Both my wife and I got the vaccine, but it was for our own reasons.

I won’t try and dissuade you from what you wrote even though I disagree with a lot of what you say about the vaccine and kids getting serious covid.

Our daughter (11) plays hockey/soccer and of course goes to school. She has had her first shot and other than a sore arm there were zero side effects. She gets her second this Friday. A lot of her friends have had to and will have to quarantine through this winter that aren’t vaccinated and probably never will be. If my wife and I can give her a life that is as normal as it was pre covid than we are going to try. Also, we believe from talking with friends that are Drs/PAs and I’ve worked at a medical company that specializes in pediatrics with some very smart people there…………..we are more worried about the unknown short and long term effects of Covid than we are of a vaccine whose technology has been studied and been around for decades now. We also like to travel internationally (Canada a lot actually) and all of us being fully vaccinated will make that a lot smoother and/or just plain possible in the future. She faces way more unhealthy things day to day in her life than the vaccine in our opinion.

Edit: She is also very close to one set of grandparents. One who has had a double kidney transplant and is obviously higher risk due to that. We hated having to keep them apart and this helps big time keep us at ease about them spending time together again. Especially as MN is probably the number one hot spot in the US now.

[Joekerr]

Originally Posted by minn19

I won’t try and dissuade you from what you wrote even though I disagree with a lot of what you say about the vaccine and kids getting serious covid.

Our daughter plays hockey/soccer and of course goes to school. She has had her first shot and other than a sore arm there were zero side effects. She gets her second this Friday. A lot of her friends have had to and will have to quarantine through this winter that aren’t vaccinated and probably never will be. If my wife and I can give her a life that is as normal as it was pre covid than we are going to try. Also, we believe from talking with friends that are Drs/PAs and I’ve worked at a medical company that specializes in pediatrics with some very smart people there…………..we are more worried about the unknown short and long term effects of Covid than we are of a vaccine whose technology has been studied and been around for decades now. We also like to travel internationally (Canada a lot actually) and all of us being fully vaccinated will make that a lot smoother and/or just plain possible in the future. She faces way more unhealthy things day to day in her life than the vaccine in our opinion.

Edit: She is also very close to one set of grandparents. One who has had a double kidney transplant and is obviously higher risk due to that. We hated having to keep them apart and this helps big time keep us at ease about them spending time together again. Especially as MN is probably the number one hot spot in the US now.

It isn't that I'm set in my opinion Minn - I didn't mean to convey that if I did. I realize that a lot of other people are set in their opinion, on both sides, right or wrong, and only time will tell. I'm not one of them though. I'm genuinely asking to be educated because I do flip flop back and forth and I like to know if there's anything I haven't considered.

The reasons you listed are ones I've considered as a pro towards getting the kids vaccinated. Specifically school field trips, extracurriculars, summer camp, etc - I suspect all of those will require proof of vaccination even if vaccination isn't mandatory in that age group, and how do I tell my kids they can't do any of that just because I'm a little worried about potential side effects of a vaccine? That's pretty difficult, and has a real and quantifiable impact on their lives.

I will say this, if we encounter new variants (and I believe we will), and one of those variants is shown to be deadly to children, then I wouldn't even be having this discussion, it would be a no brainer. At that point, I'd prefer to take the risk of the unknown side effects of the vaccine over the potential loss of my children. We just aren't there yet, which is why I'm asking. Children have yet to be shown to be the super spreaders people initially thought they were.

Thank you for responding though - never know what I'll take away from it, and I like to hear as much rationale on either side as I can as it gives me food for thought. Ultimately, I want what we do with our kids to be a rational and educated decision - whatever it is.

[minn19]

Originally Posted by Joekerr

It isn't that I'm set in my opinion Minn - I didn't mean to convey that if I did. I realize that a lot of other people are set in their opinion, on both sides, right or wrong, and only time will tell. I'm not one of them though. I'm genuinely asking to be educated because I do flip flop back and forth and I like to know if there's anything I haven't considered.

The reasons you listed are ones I've considered as a pro towards getting the kids vaccinated. Specifically school field trips, extracurriculars, summer camp, etc - I suspect all of those will require proof of vaccination even if vaccination isn't mandatory in that age group, and how do I tell my kids they can't do any of that just because I'm a little worried about potential side effects of a vaccine? That's pretty difficult, and has a real and quantifiable impact on their lives.

I will say this, if we encounter new variants (and I believe we will), and one of those variants is shown to be deadly to children, then I wouldn't even be having this discussion, it would be a no brainer. At that point, I'd prefer to take the risk of the unknown side effects of the vaccine over the potential loss of my children. We just aren't there yet, which is why I'm asking. Children have yet to be shown to be the super spreaders people initially thought they were.

Thank you for responding though - never know what I'll take away from it, and I like to hear as much rationale on either side as I can as it gives me food for thought. Ultimately, I want what we do with our kids to be a rational and educated decision - whatever it is.

One thing we (and most) very much have in common is wanting the best for our kids. It sucks having to make these decisions for them and others like it where you can second guess yourself forever with either decision. Part of the fun of being a parent.

[Captain Blood]

Originally Posted by Joekerr

Right, and I think I've read most of that before, though I've also used Canadian sources as well. But would you, or would you not, vaccinate a 5-11 year old child if you had one today?

Immediately, If recommended by my pediatrician.

[minn19]

Originally Posted by Captain Blood

Immediately, If recommended by my pediatrician.

The biggest thing I was worried about and still am is myocarditis. From what I’ve read and been told it can happen from getting covid and the vaccines. It seems boys are more at risk for it. The big difference from what is known now it is less severe and short lived/predictable from the vaccine than if you get it from covid.

[Captain Blood]

This is funny, and insults "both sides".

https://twitter.com/nbcsnl/status/14...923388416?s=21

[The Chaddening]

Well look at what we have here, another Trumpster insurrectionist committed an act of terror! It's like 1/6 all over again, or as I like to call it, the American Holocaust. I just checked Snopes to confirm all these facts (my media bias infograph says this is a factual source ). Bet this MAGA chud isn't even double boosted either

But hey, it was only white people so nothing of value lost (they probably voted for trump!) - besides with the Kyle Rottenhouse case, murder is legal now in Wisconsin amiright . Wypipo don't like to hear it, but 90% of murders are white on white crime (many such cases - big if true!).

[The Chaddening]

Originally Posted by Captain Blood

Immediately, If recommended by my pediatrician.

Waiting for a pediatrician? How dare you question the FDA and CDC, heretic. Repent and recognize the all knowing, all powerful trinity - the Pfizer, the Moderna, and the holy Fauci before it's too late.