Why is an M850i quicker than my M3 CS?

[xsracer]

Sorry, if I'm being a total bonehead here but I'm looking at an M850i that's advertised as 0-60 in 3.6 sec and 1/4 mile in 11.9. The M3 CS is advertised as 3.7 sec and 11.9. So the M850i seems to beat M3 CS on paper.

Yes, I know it's a totally different animal, blah blah blah. But the whole point of a CS is to have a "race" car, with performance being most important at the cost of sacrificing features.

So we have a car that's set up kind of spartan, yet gets beaten by a large and heavy luxury coupe with AWD and automatic tranny?

Am I missing something?

[r0wr]

Go around the track and or even a corner quick and you'll notice the difference immediately.

[Bumpinjeep]

Two purposes
1) GT with quick straight line acceleration
2) Sports car with quick straight line acceleration, great deceleration, great cornering; all to equal great lap times.

[minn19]

XI

[Humdizzle]

wow i don't even know where to begin here.

so because a car has a worse zero to 60... its not as good of a race car? By your logic a tesla p100d should be the best racecar sold today.

[CanAutM3]

The M3cs is not a race car.

You want a race car, get the M4GT4.

[minn19]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

The M3cs is not a race car.

You want a race car, get the M4GT4.

Nor the best drag racer (although not horrible). I know in the real world my wife would crush me off the line in her M550. Especially with my M3 being a 6MT etc. I'd hazard a guess it would do alright against a CS off the line and to a certain point as well.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by minn19

Nor the best drag racer (although not horrible). I know in the real world my wife would crush me off the line in her M550. Especially with my M3 being a 6MT etc. I'd hazard a guess it would do alright against a CS off the line and to a certain point as well.

Unless under perfect conditions, I can’t beat my wife in her RS3 from a dig with my M4cs. It’s tough beating the traction of AWD from a dig. I however much prefer the handling dynamics of RWD on track where traction is not really an issue.

[M3SQRD]

X-drive gives the 850 a huge advantage over the M3cs (any F8x model) off the line. I guess it’s time to sell the M3cs because it’s not a race car (and definitely not a dragster).

[RustySeatbelt]

Yup, totally different purposes for the car. I honestly have begun to hate the spec sheets, it makes too many people focus on things that really don't define what the car really is. Any car these days can be fast in a straight line. It's not difficult to make gobs of horsepower and torque, and with modern traction control systems and launch control, the stop light to stop light race is going to be close across a wide range of cars. If you want a straight line rocket, don't get the M3. It's not a world beater. I got a ton of shit when I bought my Aston for not buying a Porsche which was less money and faster, but you know what the Porsche wasn't, enjoyable to drive in the same raw way. Focus on what you want,and what makes you smile when you're behind the wheel. If all you care about is straight line speed, sell your M3 and buy a TT RS, it's faster than both for significantly less money.

[SYT_Shadow]

Originally Posted by PureModelsOnly

But really dude anything with AWD, launch control and a ton of power (which the 850 does) can be stupid fast in straight line.

this

I'm also not sure how the M3 CS is spartan... it doesn't have as much unnecessary crap as a regular M4, but it still has quite a bit of it

[nicknaz]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

The M3cs is not a race car.

You want a race car, get the M4GT4.

Check out Elan Np01 also.

Prototype style spec racer that won’t break the bank

[Mandi90TT]

Originally Posted by xsracer

Sorry, if I'm being a total bonehead here but I'm looking at an M850i that's advertised as 0-60 in 3.6 sec and 1/4 mile in 11.9. The M3 CS is advertised as 3.7 sec and 11.9. So the M850i seems to beat M3 CS on paper.

Yes, I know it's a totally different animal, blah blah blah. But the whole point of a CS is to have a "race" car, with performance being most important at the cost of sacrificing features.

So we have a car that's set up kind of spartan, yet gets beaten by a large and heavy luxury coupe with AWD and automatic tranny?

Am I missing something?

If all you want to do is go fast in a straight line (which the F8x is pretty good at) then you're in the wrong car.

[DanMpower]

Originally Posted by xsracer

Sorry, if I'm being a total bonehead here but I'm looking at an M850i that's advertised as 0-60 in 3.6 sec and 1/4 mile in 11.9. The M3 CS is advertised as 3.7 sec and 11.9. So the M850i seems to beat M3 CS on paper.

Yes, I know it's a totally different animal, blah blah blah. But the whole point of a CS is to have a "race" car, with performance being most important at the cost of sacrificing features.

So we have a car that's set up kind of spartan, yet gets beaten by a large and heavy luxury coupe with AWD and automatic tranny?

Am I missing something?

I say just get a Tesla Model S P100D and dominate the stop light drag races. Also to further add insult to injury, tell them your all electric golf cart weighs almost as much as a Tahoe and seats 7.

[ellipsis212]

Power lifter vs breakdancer. Go!

[xsracer]

Originally Posted by r0wr

Go around the track and or even a corner quick and you'll notice the difference immediately.

This is kind of missing my point. These weight reductions in CS (vs regular m3) are supposed to give performance advantage. I really don't think CS would have significantly better handling than regular m3 just because they've made it few b lighter.

So if we leave handling out of it, I kind of feel that all CS features a bit gimmicky. Like, all they had to do is to give few more hp and forget this "special" heating system, etc.

Also, I'm not comparing it to drag racer, like hellcat. Nor tesla. I'm comparing it to luxury behemoth. Kind of sucks that's a bit faster than CS. Especially, considering very similar MSRP.

Not knocking CS - supposed to get mine next week. Just pointing out suckiness of this.

[hellokitty]

Enjoy the CS. I’d take the CS over the M850xi. The F8X chassis is so nimble. Certainly doesn’t feel like the car weighs 3500 lbs.

[r0wr]

Originally Posted by xsracer

This is kind of missing my point. These weight reductions in CS (vs regular m3) are supposed to give performance advantage. I really don't think CS would have significantly better handling than regular m3 just because they've made it few b lighter.

So if we leave handling out of it, I kind of feel that all CS features a bit gimmicky. Like, all they had to do is to give few more hp and forget this "special" heating system, etc.

Also, I'm not comparing it to drag racer, like hellcat. Nor tesla. I'm comparing it to luxury behemoth. Kind of sucks that's a bit faster than CS. Especially, considering very similar MSRP.

Not knocking CS - supposed to get mine next week. Just pointing out suckiness of this.

I think you're kind of missing the point. They're two completely different cars and shouldn't be compared for 0-60 times.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by nicknaz

Check out Elan Np01 also.

Prototype style spec racer that won’t break the bank

There are indeed many choices for factory race cars. I just pointed out the F8X option .

[nicknaz]

Originally Posted by xsracer

So if we leave handling out of it, I kind of feel that all CS features a bit gimmicky. Like, all they had to do is to give few more hp and forget this "special" heating system, etc.

Not knocking CS - supposed to get mine next week. Just pointing out suckiness of this.

Don’t forget the special sticker on the trunk.

Surprised you feel that way and have one coming.

Back out of your order maybe?

You also can’t really “leaving handling out of it” since many of the special parts are to improve that

[Humdizzle]

Originally Posted by xsracer

This is kind of missing my point. These weight reductions in CS (vs regular m3) are supposed to give performance advantage. I really don't think CS would have significantly better handling than regular m3 just because they've made it few b lighter.

So if we leave handling out of it, I kind of feel that all CS features a bit gimmicky. Like, all they had to do is to give few more hp and forget this "special" heating system, etc.

Also, I'm not comparing it to drag racer, like hellcat. Nor tesla. I'm comparing it to luxury behemoth. Kind of sucks that's a bit faster than CS. Especially, considering very similar MSRP.

Not knocking CS - supposed to get mine next week. Just pointing out suckiness of this.

well to be fair most of the M3 special addition models are a gimmick lol. that's how they get people back into leases. The underlying hardware in the car is the same since 2015. the added performance is from the cup tires and they are charging you double what a used 2015 m3 goes for.

[Mandi90TT]

Originally Posted by xsracer

This is kind of missing my point. These weight reductions in CS (vs regular m3) are supposed to give performance advantage.

They do.

I really don't think CS would have significantly better handling than regular m3 just because they've made it few b lighter.

You'd be wrong, then, if you thought that.

So if we leave handling out of it,

Handling is the whole point of an M3/4. If you want fast in a straight line, get a Tesla.

I kind of feel that all CS features a bit gimmicky. Like, all they had to do is to give few more hp and forget this "special" heating system, etc.

Also, I'm not comparing it to drag racer, like hellcat. Nor tesla. I'm comparing it to luxury behemoth. Kind of sucks that's a bit faster than CS. Especially, considering very similar MSRP.

It's a bit faster, in a purely straight line.

Not knocking CS - supposed to get mine next week. Just pointing out suckiness of this.

You may want to cancel your order.