CCB (carbon ceramic brakes) retrofit pics

[LRGM3]

Originally Posted by FrankMstein

So:
Iron to CCB = booster and coding
CCB to iron = no booster or coding needed?

I did the Iron to CCB swap earlier last year, and I spent hours and hours researching all of the coding threads and speaking with a bunch of people. I also drove my car before and after the coding.

It is my conclusion that the coding does absolutely nothing to how the brakes perform, and it is purely so that the ECU has record of it being a ccb car and potentially for an ABS situation. Someone can tell me otherwise if they'd like, but there are no electronic pieces that come between the manifold and the brake booster on the vaccuum line - and I do not think the ABS module is doing anything during normal braking.

The car did not feel ANY different before or after coding. People in other threads that have claimed to have felt this difference from coding seemingly also did other things while they were coding - such as bleeding, booster swap, etc - so I am lead to believe the changes were the result of those other things.

I would love if someone told me otherwise - but I don't think the coding really does anything for functionality and if someone does think so - explain to me how it's doing that in a mainly mechanical system

[dms-01]

Originally Posted by LRGM3

I did the Iron to CCB swap earlier last year, and I spent hours and hours researching all of the coding threads and speaking with a bunch of people. I also drove my car before and after the coding.

It is my conclusion that the coding does absolutely nothing to how the brakes perform, and it is purely so that the ECU has record of it being a ccb car and potentially for an ABS situation. Someone can tell me otherwise if they'd like, but there are no electronic pieces that come between the manifold and the brake booster on the vacuum line - and I do not think the ABS module is doing anything during normal braking.

The car did not feel ANY different before or after coding. People in other threads that have claimed to have felt this difference from coding seemingly also did other things while they were coding - such as bleeding, booster swap, etc - so I am lead to believe the changes were the result of those other things.

I would love if someone told me otherwise - but I don't think the coding really does anything for functionality and if someone does think so - explain to me how it's doing that in a mainly mechanical system

I don't think they would be able to. Probably just hearsay or some mechanic told them and they took it for fact.

[LRGM3]

Originally Posted by dms-01

I don't think they would be able to. Probably just hearsay or some mechanic told them and they took it for fact.

Ya exactly, all my research led me to think it was all just placebo and heresay on the coding thing

[Simon P.]

Has anyone ever done the iron to CCB swap without changing the booster? Maybe I missed it but I haven't seen anybody mention doing the CCB swap but keeping the iron spec booster.

[Track/S]

Originally Posted by LRGM3

Ya exactly, all my research led me to think it was all just placebo and heresay on the coding thing

M2C 6MT with 2nh brakes, to swap ccb need coding, otherwise braking becomes an odyssey.

Originally Posted by Simon P.

Has anyone ever done the iron to CCB swap without changing the booster? Maybe I missed it but I haven't seen anybody mention doing the CCB swap but keeping the iron spec booster.

I did the conversion on mine with stock booster, you don't need the booster of ccb brakes.

[stevenshocker]

So if someone with steel brakes wanted to do CCB swap. Essentially all you would need is calipers, brakes, and rotors. Coding and brake booster IS NOT required to run CCB brakes on a car that was equipped with steel brakes. Would the bigger brakes have any issues with braking due to bigger pistons and stock booster/master? Kind of a noobie to this stuff... thanks in advance.

[FrankMstein]

Everyone go to https://www.surfacetransforms.com/ and aske them to make us a rotor!!
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[Talx]

Originally Posted by FrankMstein

Everyone go to https://www.surfacetransforms.com/ and aske them to make us a rotor!!
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I got an email from them about 3 months ago that they where working on rotors for our aplication and that they will be available soon they even gave me a price.

[FrankMstein]

Sweet. I sent them an email but being in England on Friday at 2pm est I figured they were gone. What was the price???!

[Track/S]

Originally Posted by Talx

I got an email from them about 3 months ago that they where working on rotors for our aplication and that they will be available soon they even gave me a price.

Price?

[FrankMstein]

Originally Posted by Talx

I got an email from them about 3 months ago that they where working on rotors for our aplication and that they will be available soon they even gave me a price.

Also what kind of timeframe was “soon”?

[Talx]

Originally Posted by FrankMstein

Also what kind of timeframe was “soon”?

I would advise you to send them an email.

They told me they can put the kit into production and supply me with one but I had already sourced a new set of OEM rotors so I didn’t get it, they quoted me £10,051.26 ex vat for 4 rotors (front and rear) to work with original pads.

[Track/S]

For that price, I'd rather buy a OEM set with calipers.

[Talx]

Originally Posted by Track/S

For that price, I'd rather buy a OEM set with calipers.

Your missing the point, OEM rotors are only good for about 10-15 track days, these rotors are supposed to be good for twice that and then you can send them in to get refurbished by pregnating them with carbon for 4-5 additional times for the fraction of the cost.
OEM rotors are garbage when they are finished and the cost of replacing them is almost 75% of the cost of a complete kit just for the front rotors.

[Track/S]

Originally Posted by Talx

Your missing the point, OEM rotors are only good for about 10-15 track days, these rotors are supposed to be good for twice that and then you can send them in to get refurbished by pregnating them with carbon for 4-5 additional times for the fraction of the cost.
OEM rotors are garbage when they are finished and the cost of replacing them is almost 75% of the cost of a complete kit just for the front rotors.

We would have to wait before confirming the durability, and I would also like to know the refurbished price... because if they charge the same as Germans, it is still more profitable to buy the OEMs.

[Talx]

Originally Posted by Track/S

We would have to wait before confirming the durability, and I would also like to know the refurbished price... because if they charge the same as Germans, it is still more profitable to buy the OEMs.

I’m not sure why you say we need to wait to confirm durability considering they are widely used with good feedback by the Porsche community. And according to them it’s a 600$ per rotor refurbishment cost so basically a fraction of the cost of replacing two OEM front rotors

[FrankMstein]

Originally Posted by Talx

I’m not sure why you say we need to wait to confirm durability considering they are widely used with good feedback by the Porsche community. And according to them it’s a 600$ per rotor refurbishment cost so basically a fraction of the cost of replacing two OEM front rotors

I sent ST an email. So a $600 refresh would last last only a few more track days? How many hours are we talking here?

[Track/S]

Originally Posted by Talx

I’m not sure why you say we need to wait to confirm durability considering they are widely used with good feedback by the Porsche community. And according to them it’s a 600$ per rotor refurbishment cost so basically a fraction of the cost of replacing two OEM front rotors

I thought it was a new company, if the porsche users are happy then it's ok, 600e is a good price.

[Talx]

Originally Posted by Track/S

I thought it was a new company, if the porsche users are happy then it's ok, 600e is a good price.

Ya look up rennlist
Lots of GT3/2RS GT3/4 are using them.

https://rennlist.com/forums/performa...ke-rotors.html

And if you look at the long run it’s defiantly cost evective. I’m definitely going to try them out next set.

[Talx]

Originally Posted by FrankMstein

I sent ST an email. So a $600 refresh would last last only a few more track days? How many hours are we talking here?

I’m not sure exactly, on the OEM set I managed personally about 10 track days and I would imagine 10-15 hard road trips
They are claiming that there discs should last twice as long on each refurbishment

[Indvdl M]

Originally Posted by stevenshocker

So if someone with steel brakes wanted to do CCB swap. Essentially all you would need is calipers, brakes, and rotors. Coding and brake booster IS NOT required to run CCB brakes on a car that was equipped with steel brakes. Would the bigger brakes have any issues with braking due to bigger pistons and stock booster/master? Kind of a noobie to this stuff... thanks in advance.

I believe this is incorrect. If you currently have steel brakes (of any size) you will need coding and a booster swap to have a properly functioning CCB setup. The difference in friction created by CCB's need to be accounted for by both coding and the specific brake booster. If you just want to swap to the larger M2C steel rotors and calipers, then the brake booster does not need to be swapped.

[Track/S]

Originally Posted by Indvdl M

I believe this is incorrect. If you currently have steel brakes (of any size) you will need coding and a booster swap to have a properly functioning CCB setup. The difference in friction created by CCB's need to be accounted for by both coding and the specific brake booster. If you just want to swap to the larger M2C steel rotors and calipers, then the brake booster does not need to be swapped.

It is correct, I have changed from steel to ccb just changing discs and pads, disable via esys fading and emergency braking, no booster needed...