Anyone else get banned from the G8X section for making fun of its looks?

[FlyingLow78]

Originally Posted by swagon

Starting to think it's not the bad tyre pressure that makes these crash, it's the Drift Analyser.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by Arcades

awww

Although, from what I read on Rennlist, the current CCBs (gen 2) from Porsche can withstand a lot of heat cycles. Least... that is what those folks say when they track, I have no clue how accurate it is. You definitely need to weight it though to gauge the life of the rotors.

Also, this isn't to you but just a general question. None of us BMW owners have ever received a BMW letter letting us know of a free iDrive Software update right?

Because, Porsche sent a letter to me letting me know of a free software update for my Macan GTS today. lol

PCCB are indeed getting more durable for track use. They are ideal for someone who's going to track 3-4 days per year over 3-4 years (9-16 days). I track at the rate of 20-25 days per season, PCCB become cost prohibitive in my case. Andreas Preuniger says so himself and it is also the consensus among track rats.

Regarding iDrive updates, I got a few free software and map updates directly through the air. No letter. Just a message on the iDrive screen.

[horsepower_and_hounds]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

Thought everyone here would enjoy this. I died and went to Porsche heaven today. Look at all these beautiful Porsche Cup Cars, and one Lambo Huracan Cup Car.

And all that race gas residue in the tail pipes.....I can smell it now

[swagon]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

People driving beyond their ability.

I think it was an obvious low-effort joke.

Originally Posted by RugbyBro

Lots of them coming from Eastern Europe

Tell my bratans I say and that I hope they're wearing adidas tracksuits.

[FormulaMMM]

Originally Posted by kyrix1st

I disagree with you on this. DCT/PDK is faster for both upshift and downshift and that is more than a tenth per corner. If you've driven on a track with heavy braking zones, you would know it is incredibly difficult to downshift more than 2 gears with MT without a 6-point harness holding your body in place due to high longitudinal G .

That being said, Castle Combe likely does not need one downshift per braking zone, it is likely around 0.5 sec faster for PDK just from gear changes. Because PDK stays in the higher power band all the time due to gearing, I expect the total gain to be around 0.7 sec.

Respectfully disagree. No lap time gained in brake zones during downshifts. No boasting intended, yes, I do it on the regular in buckets + 3 pt. Good example is 140 mph into a 40 mph hairpin, 5th to 2nd. Brake point, brake pressure, time under braking, cornering speed, etc. would be unchanged with PDK.

Originally Posted by Arcades

I usually dislike quoting 0 - 60 time because it has no real world application but in this case there something to be said about the difference in speed.

In every application I have looked at, the PDK-S and 6MT in the 718 (982) has at least a 0.5 second difference in 0-60. Whether it is 3.3 (by independents) or 3.8 (quoted by Porsche) for the PDK-S or 3.7 (by independents) or 4.2 (by Porsche) for the 6MT. Half a second difference is going to count when it comes to track times. Think I only found fastestlaps . com but it wasn't comparing to anything or showed which tranny it used.

0-60 and 1st to 2nd shift doesn't apply to real world track at speed. Did an autocross a while back, it would apply there.

The moment I see any GT3 PDK pull more than a fraction of a car length ahead on upshifts 2nd through 5th, I'll gladly come back and issue a correction.

Remember there's a ~60 lb. weight penalty with PDK/auto as well. Once again, when we're talking tenths.

Where PDK/DCT/ZF (probably less so) can establish real gains vs. manual is in slower speed, technical sections of track, where the PDK box can jump up and down from 2nd to 3rd for absolute maximization of powerband the instant you're back on throttle. These sections of track are relatively rare. Every once in a while a mid-corner shift might gain a tenth as well. "Tweener" corners in a manual.

It would be better for my ego if there was an unbridgeable 1+ second gap between manual and PDK at the tracks I run, but based upon my running with almost only PDK GT3's and RS's, it's not there.

The general theme is that the transmission difference disqualifies the G8X vs GT4 lap time comparison, or that the gap would grow to seconds if the GT4 was PDK. I don't think so. Credit needs to be given where due on the G8X. 718 GT4 is a properly fast track car. It is definitely remarkable that a +700 lb. M4 with a braking disadvantage (and probably Cup 2 compound disadvantage) can be within tenths, even on a shorter track.

[SickGTR]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

We did look at the Panny Cross Turismo and it is a lot more money and less practical than the RS6. We get pretty sweet pricing in Canada for the RS6. Ours well optioned, comes in just under 100k USD before taxes, and dealer markups are illegal in Canada. The Panamera Cross Turismo Turbo-S (not even the top E-hybrid), which is built on the same platform as the RS6 and uses the same engine tuned for +20hp, is ~80k USD more than the RS6 once optioned. The GTS, the next level down, has less of a price gap being "only" 40k USD more than the RS6 but offers significantly less performance than the RS6 (-118hp). And my wife does love her Audis

Can you buy my RS6 and I will Venmo you 120K? LOL. Mine was 130 after options. I'm trying to wait for the Z06 before ordering just to check it out. It's killing me to wait. Good thing is the weather is getting good, so it's time to break out the GTR soon

[ntg44]

Originally Posted by swagon

Starting to think it's not the bad tyre pressure that makes these crash, it's the Drift Analyser.

Didn't know the hood hinges are on the front of the hood. Neat.

[MFNATIK]

Originally Posted by swagon

Starting to think it's not the bad tyre pressure that makes these crash, it's the Drift Analyser.

The G80 may go on to be the most rare M3 since the E30 as seems no one wants one and of those that do, they're having instant regret and find a way to total them to get their money back haha

[Sassicaia]

Pretty sure the people crashing them are just trying to dodge all the rotten vegetables being thrown at them.

[minn19]

Originally Posted by FormulaMMM

Respectfully disagree. No lap time gained in brake zones during downshifts. No boasting intended, yes, I do it on the regular in buckets + 3 pt. Good example is 140 mph into a 40 mph hairpin, 5th to 2nd. Brake point, brake pressure, time under braking, cornering speed, etc. would be unchanged with PDK.



0-60 and 1st to 2nd shift doesn't apply to real world track at speed. Did an autocross a while back, it would apply there.

The moment I see any GT3 PDK pull more than a fraction of a car length ahead on upshifts 2nd through 5th, I'll gladly come back and issue a correction.

Remember there's a ~60 lb. weight penalty with PDK/auto as well. Once again, when we're talking tenths.

Where PDK/DCT/ZF (probably less so) can establish real gains vs. manual is in slower speed, technical sections of track, where the PDK box can jump up and down from 2nd to 3rd for absolute maximization of powerband the instant you're back on throttle. These sections of track are relatively rare. Every once in a while a mid-corner shift might gain a tenth as well. "Tweener" corners in a manual.

It would be better for my ego if there was an unbridgeable 1+ second gap between manual and PDK at the tracks I run, but based upon my running with almost only PDK GT3's and RS's, it's not there.

The general theme is that the transmission difference disqualifies the G8X vs GT4 lap time comparison, or that the gap would grow to seconds if the GT4 was PDK. I don't think so. Credit needs to be given where due on the G8X. 718 GT4 is a properly fast track car. It is definitely remarkable that a +700 lb. M4 with a braking disadvantage (and probably Cup 2 compound disadvantage) can be within tenths, even on a shorter track.

Of course I can’t find it, but on RL there is a track time comparison between the two at Laguna I think? Any way, it was within very few tenths much to the PDK fans chagrin. There are definitely pros and cons between the two. Major ones IMO are you never miss a shift with the PDK and obviously no chance of the dreaded money shift. If you keep them long term I’d rather pay for a new manual transmission/clutch than a PDK. And of course I think manuals are more fun on and off the track, especially in a Cayman no matter the trim level.

I’m not a fan of Farah and rarely agree with him, but he is right when it comes to the PDK vs Manual debate in these cars. Basically he says forget all the numbers etc and just get the transmission you want. Both are great.

[minn19]

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[Sedan_Clan]

The last two ///M's sold with 10k mark-ups. This Dravit Gray M4 has the mark-up as well and it has been here since Tuesday. There are a couple people checking it out as I type this. The exhaust sounds really, really good in Sport mode. It becomes very deep and throaty.

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

The last two ///M's sold with 10k mark-ups. This Dravit Gray M4 has the mark-up as well and it has been here since Tuesday. There are a couple people checking it out as I type this.

Anyone buying a mass production vehicle with a markup = 🤡

They should have just come to MD, we have 4 dealers who can't move their M4's and would have easily sold them at MSRP or even discounted.

[kyrix1st]

Originally Posted by FormulaMMM

Respectfully disagree. No lap time gained in brake zones during downshifts. No boasting intended, yes, I do it on the regular in buckets + 3 pt. Good example is 140 mph into a 40 mph hairpin, 5th to 2nd. Brake point, brake pressure, time under braking, cornering speed, etc. would be unchanged with PDK.

Respectfully disagree x2. I too track my MT with 6 point harness, and there are already two major braking zones where you really need 2 or more downshifts (hairpin&S after 130R at Suzuka) that I can get onto the throttle much earlier with DCT due to faster downshifts. And it is one of the faster tracks out there, so very much track dependent.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

Anyone buying a mass production vehicle with a markup = 🤡

They should have just come to MD, we have 4 dealers who can't move their M4's and would have easily sold them at MSRP or even discounted.

This mark-up nonsense seems to be a California thing. It happens with Ford Raptors, Toyota 4-Runner PRO's, etc.


I've been going to every dealership within 80-ish miles of me trying to check out the carbon fiber seats in person, but either the cars with them were already sold or the car currently in stock (...if they have one) has the regular seats. I called Riverside BMW again today and it seems one of their M3's and one of their M4's has the CF seats, so I'm going to go check them out. They are selling with mark-ups as well; they've sold about 7 cars so far in the last couple of weeks.

[ra2289]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

This mark-up nonsense seems to be a California thing. It happens with Ford Raptors, Toyota 4-Runner PRO's, etc.

It's very prevalent here in Las Vegas as well, seems to be worse on SUVs and Trucks but not 100% sure on that.

A buddy of mine was trying to buy an SUV and they wouldn't move below an 8k markup because they knew it would sell, rude about it too. Think it was a f'ing Telluride of all things.

I've experienced it so much that I go to neighboring states, Cali included, to get my vehicles.

When I've looked online over the years it just seems to be a common practice here in the states.

[kyrix1st]

F82 is such a gem.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by ra2289

It's very prevalent here in Las Vegas as well, seems to be worse on SUVs and Trucks but not 100% sure on that.

A buddy of mine was trying to buy an SUV and they wouldn't move below an 8k markup because they knew it would sell, rude about it too. Think it was a f'ing Telluride of all things.

I've experienced it so much that I go to neighboring states, Cali included, to get my vehicles.

When I've looked online over the years it just seems to be a common practice here in the states.

Ah I didn't know L.V. had this issue too. I've only been able to avoid mark-ups on brand new ///M's because I've always purchased from my buddy who is/was the Sales Manager at the various BMW dealers I've purchased from in the past.

[Arcades]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Ah I didn't know L.V. had this issue too. I've only been able to avoid mark-ups on brand new ///M's because I've always purchased from my buddy who is/was the Sales Manager at the various BMW dealers I've purchased from in the past.

I was told the one from Riverside retired during COVID.

He was the person I went to for my M3 as New Century wasn't able to beat his pricing.

Then some of the staff from Riverside went to Monrovia BMW.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Arcades

I was told the one from Riverside retired during COVID.

He was the person I went to for my M3 as New Century wasn't able to beat his pricing.

Then some of the staff from Riverside went to Monrovia BMW.

Yeah that's what I heard too. My guy took time off from Irvine BMW because his mother was diagnosed with cancer. After about 6 months off, he came back and was slated to go to Porsche or Mercedes. The Porsche spot got filled, so now he's at Mercedes, which sucks because I have no interest in a Benz. I've bought something like 14 BMW's from him since 2001-ish (...between his stints at Shelly BMW, McKenna BMW and Irvine BMW), so I'm admittedly bummed that he's no longer with the company. He's not really a fan of the new M3/M4, but told me he'd make a call to get me a good deal if I decide I want to buy one.

[Arcades]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Yeah that's what I heard too. My guy took time off from Irvine BMW because his mother was diagnosed with cancer. After about 6 months off, he came back and was slated to go to Porsche or Mercedes. The Porsche spot got filled, so now he's at Mercedes, which sucks because I have no interest in a Benz. I've bought something like 14 BMW's from him since 2001-ish (...between his stints at Shelly BMW, McKenna BMW and Irvine BMW), so I'm admittedly bummed that he's no longer with the company. He's not really a fan of the new M3/M4, but told me he'd make a call to get me a good deal if I decide I want to buy one.

Monrovia jacked a lot of ppl lol.

I know Irvine BMW had people go to Monrovia. Then apparently Riverside BMW had people go to Monrovia as well.

[R N M]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

The last two ///M's sold with 10k mark-ups. This Dravit Gray M4 has the mark-up as well and it has been here since Tuesday. There are a couple people checking it out as I type this. The exhaust sounds really, really good in Sport mode. It becomes very deep and throaty.

The last pic shows how hideous this thing is 🐽