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07-17-2013, 11:36 PM | #67 | |
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(i.e. OEM 19" M3 rear wheel weight - TE37SL 10.5" weight = 7 lb) Also, there is no way BMW will ship an OEM rear M3 wheel that weighs even 19 lb. So again, no, 10 lb per wheel is not possible. Perhaps technically possible with composites or something $$$, but not possible from BMW as an OEM part.
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Similarly when it comes to the new Z28 how can you predict lap times when neither the power nor weight of either car is known? Hence again my claim that either "murder" or "best" is quite premature and speculative.
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Are they going to be available for the M2 as well?
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I'm pretty sure the same negative outlook would have been given if someone said that the E60 M5 and E90 M3 would have the engines they got before it was known. An M unique engine? V10?, V8 M3?, What redline? Not going to happen, followed by the price of similar cars and the cost involved etc. This time it's primarily about the weight not the engine and that's BMW's own statement not mine. Last edited by solstice; 07-18-2013 at 01:50 AM.. |
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To give you some perspective of how fast this laptime is, it’s faster than a Corvette Z06, Nissan GT-R, Lamborghini Mucielago LP670-4, Ferrari 430 Scuderia, Porsche 997 GT3 RS, Lexus LFA. |
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I have no doubt that this new M3 will rock! With every spied test mule things are getting more and more exciting. However, some of the most special options might have a considerable cost. I used to be worried a little about the exhaust note, but this is worry begins to fade out. The M5 M Performance exhaust teaser also helped
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I can definitely see silver grey dials in the instrument cluster a la E46 and 1M and I can see an 8 at the lower right of the tach...I've seen the 8 on the mule clusters as well... It looks like it has the extended contents display but I can see Silverish grey
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Absolutely, I'm just pointing out what really is, from any practical sense, impossible.
Also quite doubtful. The OEM seats weigh 45 lb ea. Recaro Sportster seats WITHOUT airbags come in at 33 lb ea. Thus we are likely to see about half of your quite optimistic value. Maybe 3/4 of it absolutely best case scenario including all four seats. Again the rears are quite light already... Quote:
Have a look at all of the areas I predicted BMW will be saving weight in the M4 way back in late 2010 here. Maybe my numbers were conservative maybe you can save more. As the late Carl Sagan used to say, "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence". To me a sub 3330 curb weight is indeed an extraordinary claim.
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BMW states that the CRT shaved 150 lbs off the E90 M3 just by swapping to CF in the seats and hood. That seems hard to reconcile with just a 30 lbs or so saving on the seats when they also state a 50% weight reduction with the CF hood. That would make the standard alu hood ( 150 - 30 ) x 2 = 240 lbs. Sounds heavy.
Note: According to this guy the alu hood is 22.8 lbs http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=580764 This would make the savings from the seats 150 - ( 22.8 / 2 ) lbs = 138.6 lbs. With that in mind 50 lbs sounds rather modest. Last edited by solstice; 07-18-2013 at 04:01 AM.. |
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Anything is possible, but engineering is all about compromise. -Sure you can make a car super light and use CF everywhere, but it'll make it more expensive. Thus a higher base price. Would everyone agree with that? No. Hell no actually. - Sure you can throw on some super light wheels, but are they going to survive 100-200k miles full of pot holes? No - Keep in mind where the M3/4 starts at. It's a big sedan/coupe, that was made into a performance version. This is not a 911 or a Suburu BRZ where they were designed from the ground up to be light and small to begin with. Like I said, I'm all for progress, but at the same time it's not something that is free and can be just done with the snap of a finger.
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I'm probably in the minority with this one but I'm a little saddened that the F80/82 will probably not have an iDrive free option any more. Market requires it now, but I see it as a distraction.
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I'm more upset that it won't have Nav standard since iDrive is there. I am hopeful the M3/4 comes practically loaded with what I consider basic entry luxury items that normally cost like leather, nav, heated sets, auto dimm mirros, etc. If the car based at 70-75k with all this stuff I would be happy. Then give me a package that gives me CRT seats and CCB for 10k even and I will give up my money.
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1. BMW can decide if it's 100 lbs or 150 lbs. It's 100 lbs on the scale for the base M3 car vs the CRT car. The 150 lbs is when you consider the weight from the extras in the base CRT as for example DCT etc. 2. Well either BMW is lying or the seats are heavier than your source state. It's one of the two. I've seen info about the front seats being +60 lbs and the rear ~45 lbs. that's a 165 lbs combined. Shaving 50 lbs from that seems more than doable with CF and BMW show what they can do by saving more than twice of that. Last edited by solstice; 07-18-2013 at 11:53 AM.. |
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