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As a consumer, the fundamental principal you need to keep in mind about ED pricing, or any pricing, for that matter is this: neither the dealer nor BMW is going to sell you a car for $60,000 when they know they can sell it to someone else for $65,000. What follows from that is: if the dealer let's you buy one of the cars he owns for ED pricing, then the dealer knows that's the market price. Putting two and two together, then, if you buy a car from a dealer and go pick it up in Europe for an ED price of , say, $60,000, you can be reasonably certain you can buy that same car, in the states, for the same amount. On the issue of buying a car at ED invoice. That car is not owned by the dealer but by BMW. And when BMW allows this pricing to happen, they are revealing to you that the car is not selling fast enough for the assembly line. Again, that means there is a strong possibility you can get the car in the states for the same amount. Of course, the reverse is also true: if the car sells better than expected then, the price will go up regardless of what the sticker says. That's the way I see it, anyway. |
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09-05-2013, 05:49 PM | #27 |
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Def!! I'm sure bmw would document it all!
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09-05-2013, 06:12 PM | #28 |
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Time that around Oktoberfest, perhaps a few days prior. Pick up the cars and tour Germany for a few days. Back to Munich, drop off the car for shipment and straight to one of the beer tents. That is as ideal as one could do it imo....
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Main rule: if the car comes from the dealer's allocation then selling at ED invoice is not going to happen unless dealer really wants to burn that allocation for a scant or simply no profit.
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I know someone was going to say this sooner or later.
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Can we hope for ZCP on LCI to be available in 2015? (2016 MY) Going with the four door this time around.
I'm hoping that I'll be able to plan ahead this time and combine ED with a vacation back in my homeland of Switzerland |
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The biggest reason BMW offers Euro Delivery is because they think it nets them more sales than not offering it...They wouldn't do it otherwise. Profit-per-unit isn't the only way to maximize profits...selling higher volume helps too. For example, look at the board sponsors on Bimmerfest known for doing ED at the lowest margins over invoice. I'd be willing to bet the increased volume from fulfilling orders for members all over the country more than makes up for the lower profit-per-vehicle they are taking compared to other dealers. Euro delivery buyers are more likely to be enthusiasts who will come back home and tell people how great the experience was, so there's some marketing (possibly increased sales too) for BMW there. I think most ED buyers are going to be the type that will custom order their new car anyway, not buy off a dealer lot. The dealer takes little (if any) risk on ED orders, which is incentive to offer the car at lower profit than US deliveries. On custom US delivery orders there's a chance the car ends up sitting on the lot if the buyer refuses delivery. Every day the car sits on the dealer's lot it costs them money...just because they can sell it at a higher price to someone else doesn't mean they'll profit more on the transaction if the car sits for a month. |
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09-06-2013, 08:57 AM | #33 | |
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I personally would think BMW being BMW will def have some sort of LCI mid cycle such as a ZCP or something, seems to be a common trend with their history. Either way I am planning on getting one as soon as its available!
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Regardless of where it comes from or whos inventory it gets depleted from,
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GOLFFRR, with the gap between the end of the E9X and starting up the F8X series, how will you be able to manage your allocation if ED is charged against it? There should be plenty of pent up demand including Individual colors. I ask because I am looking forward to ED for an M3.
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David has been taking names and deposits for the M3/M4 for a while now. On that list all the people who put that they want to do ED will remain in the position they are in now. "IF" ED orders do not come out of US allocations (fingers crossed) then of course we would be trying to roll as many ED orders as we can before BMW shuts it of. "IF" this happens I would HIGHLY HIGHLY recommend that you don't hesitate if you ever thought about ED bc once BMW makes dealers take ED orders out of US allocations its going to be tough to near impossible to find pricing under ED MSRP on ED orders. I would think though however that BMW will make US dealers take all ED orders out of US allocations Lets hope thats not the case but the trend seems to lean that way.
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The ED savings has little to do with taxes. Import tax is 2.5% and is not affected by new/used, just declared value. The savings to BMW is mainly in the dealer incentive program. EU cars don't count towards the CSI program or towards the incentive for units sold. That's a pretty significant amount. Also, BMW runs the long term numbers and customers that do one EU delivery on average will stay more loyal to the brand over their lifetime and purchase more BMW's than customers that don't do the program.
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^^I believe on the M3 we have 12 and the m4 14.
Last time I checked there are a lot of people on the list who want to do ED. Soooo if BMW throws the community a bone and us dealers a bone and lets the ED not come out of US allocations then that list will go pretty fast and we can hook up all the ED buyers with some insane deals. IF they come out of US allocations then it will all depend on how many allocations we and each dealers get. Could be 1 a month or it could be 10 who knows. We do not officially know when US deliveries, ED deliveries, or even orders will start. BMW has not officially let us know yet. The rumors are US orders start in early 2014 (jan-feb) ED deliveries start March-April time frame and US deliveries summer to end of summer of 2014. These are all rumors though. David has been monitoring all the BMW bulletins and there has yet to be any info on the M3/M4 yet.
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It's a hot car! Going to be tough to get one when they first come out if you are not on a list and if you do find one you most likely will see them marked up big time
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^^I can check on the status for you no problem if you like. You will have to shoot me pm and remind your name again and I can check for you. Checa gave the list she had over to Brie when she left so you should be on there if she had taken you down.
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