Best Motoring - F82 vs G82

[TractionControlDelete]

https://youtu.be/oJeLHHxvObM

[kyrix1st]

For the non-Japanese, I can translate what each guy says:

Assist's Mori-san (chief tuner):
G82: All stock, except for transmission logic programming (most likely xhp). We haven't brought the car to touge yet, so it's hard to tell how good the suspension is on the tight roads.

F82: We made the suspension damping slightly harder to see if it makes for a better lap time around Tsukuba. (Assist has a lap record of 58.356 with the same car, different setup)

Impressions:

DK:
G82: It maybe hard to manage the car without AWD. I think the car can be fast on Gunsai because of AWD. However with the stock suspension, it is questionable whether the car will handle well there because it feels too loose. Maybe the car will be fast with a more supple suspension.
All things said, car is heavy, especially into the first corner.
*Changes to "D" transmission mode for the second lap. Presumably because the paddle shifter response is not great.

Regarding the score:90 - (Nobu asks is this high or low?) Not gonna comment on that! (Nobu asks where has gone the critic in you?) I don't wanna be too negative about the car, but it gets 88, so I rounded up the score to 90. The suspension is always a bit unstable, so I cannot predict when the rear will regain the traction. I think the car has a potential to be better.

F82 - It's really not scary to drive the car at all, despite having 630hp on FR with 1570kg. It's heavy, but I cannot feel the weight. The car has a great turn-in response unlike G82. Amazing balance with great suspension strokes. Amazing effort by the team that continues to improve their car.

Regarding the score:100 I think the car has a balance with power to weight. The car is able to put the power down, and the car handles accordingly well.

Nobu:
G82: Nice, there are some jolts between the upshifts. The front's grip feels shallow, I cannot feel the tires. It doesn't turn in well on the hairpin as you can see here, but it has good exit traction out of the corner due to AWD.

(On a second lap) Rather than "feeling shallow", I think there is no front grip. There is no potential around the sections where the car relies heavily on the tires' grip. I have to wait for the car to finish turning in. I don't like it.

(in FR mode) It's hard to drift the car. The rear pitches really weirdly, like it has a rear-wheel steer.

Overall, there is no "sheering driving pleasure." The car has a weak turn-in.

Regarding the score:85- There's no front grip, so when I am pushing the car, I have to wait until it regains traction. It is very stressful. Exit is great because it is AWD. But right now, there is no joy in driving the car, so I am waiting for Assist to do their magic.

F82: This car has a nice ride, yet the car has great grip. Feels gentle yet fast. Feels like the car is glued to the surface.
I said gentle, but the sound is not gentle. It is loud.
The car is heavy, I can feel the inertia during braking. But the car is easy to read, there is power. Probably can't do much about the weight, but I love how the car is setup at the moment.

Regarding the score:98- I think there is always room for improvement.

[TractionControlDelete]

Originally Posted by kyrix1st

For the non-Japanese, I can translate what each guy says:

Assist's Mori-san (chief tuner):
G82: All stock, except for transmission logic programming (most likely xhp). We haven't brought the car to touge yet, so it's hard to tell how good the suspension is on the tight roads.

F82: We made the suspension damping slightly harder to see if it makes for a better lap time around Tsukuba. (Assist has a lap record of 58.356 with the same car, different setup)

Impressions:

DK:
G82: It maybe hard to manage the car without AWD. I think the car can be fast on Gunsai because of AWD. However with the stock suspension, it is questionable whether the car will handle well there because it feels too loose. Maybe the car will be fast with a more supple suspension.
All things said, car is heavy, especially into the first corner.
*Changes to "D" transmission mode for the second lap. Presumably because the paddle shifter response is not great.

Regarding the score:90 - (Nobu asks is this high or low?) Not gonna comment on that! (Nobu asks where has gone the critic in you?) I don't wanna be too negative about the car, but it gets 88, so I rounded up the score to 90. The suspension is always a bit unstable, so I cannot predict when the rear will regain the traction. I think the car has a potential to be better.

F82 - It's really not scary to drive the car at all, despite having 630hp on FR with 1570kg. It's heavy, but I cannot feel the weight. The car has a great turn-in response unlike G82. Amazing balance [...]

[kyrix1st]

Originally Posted by TractionControlDelete

I guess this is a nice reality check for people who think latest is always greatest.

[clutchdj]

they are the last truly credible source around.

glad they are still going at it.

[Bumpinjeep]

Originally Posted by kyrix1st

I guess this is a nice reality check for people who think latest is always greatest.

I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not, you can never truly tell on a forum because the reality is that the G82 just came within a second of a 630 hp race prepped car running on damn near slicks. So yes, the G series is by far and away, the latest and greatest, performance wise of course. Throw the same treatment on the G82 and it will blow the F82 out of the water.

[kyrix1st]

Originally Posted by Bumpinjeep

I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not, you can never truly tell on a forum because the reality is that the G82 just came within a second of a 630 hp race prepped car running on damn near slicks. So yes, the G series is by far and away, the latest and greatest, performance wise of course. Throw the same treatment on the G82 and it will blow the F82 out of the water.

I was talking more about the overall package of the two cars (they vastly preferred F82 even in stock form, looking at their score of 95 back in 2015.)

As for the lap time, unfortunately, it doesn't work like that on a technical circuit like Tsukuba. Assist's F82 set an even faster lap time of 58.813 with the stock turbo and bm3 stage 1, 480hp. More power for the G82 will not make the car go 3 seconds faster at a 1-minute circuit, because its biggest issue is weight.

If G82 can get down to 1600kg (not even that much of weight saving was done on F82, only back seat delete and bucket seats) maybe it can go faster, but the car will definitely not overdrive the A052s (super high grip tires) 3 seconds faster just because it has AWD.

[WhiteFox]

Having driven both around a track agree with the comments above as car is far too heavy and felt like driving an M5/6 around the track. Suspension is not as stiff as I would have expected it and shifting is not as lighting quick as DCT box but that was less of an issue.

Personally BMW will have seen the sales numbers on the G82 as don’t think it sold as well as the F82.

M3 where this all started was a small and quick car and over the years just has gotten to a point where it’s too big and heavy and side by side with the F series only new model that’s fun enough around a track is the M2 in my opinion.

[NickyC]

Originally Posted by Bumpinjeep

I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not, you can never truly tell on a forum because the reality is that the G82 just came within a second of a 630 hp race prepped car running on damn near slicks. So yes, the G series is by far and away, the latest and greatest, performance wise of course. Throw the same treatment on the G82 and it will blow the F82 out of the water.

It might be a bit faster, but it will never outrun the ugly. Holy shit it's an ugly car.

[cotmfk]

Originally Posted by NickyC

It might be a bit faster, but it will never outrun the ugly. Holy shit it's an ugly car.

100%. A big part of a car for me is the emotion it elicits. Sound, feel, looks, etc. is all part of that. And the G8x (not just the front end) - I just can't get over it. I know others have - good for them, but I'm tired of trying to square peg round hole it.