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He's likely talking about LM synthoil race tech 10w60 for E46 M3 track car, which does carry API SN and ACEA A3/B4.
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So what's the consensus here?
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Regardless, there is a big difference in the way companies use language to explain where oil should be used and "recommended" and "meets or exceeds requirements" is not the same as approval. ACEA is not approval. ACEA sequence does not require approval, and blenders are allowed to use "self-testing" to determine whether oil is compatible with ACEA sequence. Since ACEA is the starting point for European approvals, it is the least stringent and not particularly hard to achieve. |
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There is also an option of Pentosin 5w40 from FCP, which seems to carry LL01 approval. Tempted to try it out.
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It was one of the more popular oils for some time. But US market for Pentosin was always an afterthought. Now that Fuchs owns them (Fuchs is the largest manufacturer of industrial lubricants in Germany) they are slowly changing their approach. Oversized Made in Germany letters are also on the bottle |
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Weird that their super performance 5w-40 has a flash point of 200C.
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Looked at the SDS and nothing. They do emphasize that it is thermostable and is for extended drain interval. Tempted to try and send it in for UOA.
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For example, Castrol 0W40 has a bit lower flash point than M1 0W40, but they use different ASTM. M1 is D92 and Castrol D93.
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They must be using D93 then, as super performance lineup is relatively recent.
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I was looking at Ravenol VST 5W-40 (LL-01) too but its KV40 and KV100 values are notably higher (like X-cess gen1), given that HTHS is only 3.9 cP vs. 3.8 cP for Motul gen2. Not sure if it might be getting too thick for a lightly modded N55/S55. JamesGames edycol What do you think about the Ravenol VST 5W-40? Would you still prefer the Motul gen2? TIA!
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So, IMO, any of those two will do exceptionally well. You might try both, do UOA and see how it looks. |
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One question I have though - the Ravenol 0W-40 is majority PAO and the Motul gen2 is purely HC - will there be any issues with mixing these oils? There will be some residual oil in the oil cooler and lines so should I fully flush Ravenol out of the engine before adding Motul or is this not an issue?
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As for the base stock of Motul, do not forget that MSDS is just for emergency personnel (fire and EMS) to know what substances are harmful. Considering Motul numbers, I would not be surprised if there are a bit of Esters there. In the end, it is final results that matter. I did not see Ravenol UOA, but their KV100 indicates some "room for error." Usually, oils that are that thick are purposely made like that bcs. shearing. Like I said, I personally trust Motul more. If you want a more robust Motul, go Motul SPort 5W40. If you are out of warranty, I would go that. It is still API SN, which means there is robust dispersant and detergent package for street use and oxidation is in check. |
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I previously ran the gen1 Motul X-cess 5W40 and that was the only time where I've had to top off with an additional quart between services. Granted, I was running the car hard that day and I had an indy do the oil change that time so maybe it wasn't topped off to begin with but not sure.
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In terms of which one is better no clue. I have a stock of 5w40 Xcess gen 2 / Motul Sport 5w40 as well, so I will be running UOA on those eventually... but it's going to be a while since my car is on annual drain intervals. Quote:
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What are your guys' thoughts on the new Quaker State Ultra Durable Euro 5W-40? Carries approvals for BMW LL-01, MB 229.3, Porsche A40 etc.
Now that QS is owned by Shell, it looks like this is the same formula and GTL base oil as PP Euro 5W-40 at more than half the cost. $18 for 5 quarts at Walmart… I think I'm going to go for it as my new LL-01 choice… it's a darn steal at this price point. http://www.walmart.com/ip/Quaker-Sta...uart/737859365
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IMO better choice than Castrol Edge 5W40. SN+ version even has Zinc levels above 1000ppm I think (SP versions are way down on Zinc). |
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