Spied: Is a more hardcore BMW M4 GTS model / package on the way?

Brake_Late · 06-19-2018, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by ORIGIN M.

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Originally Posted by eau_rouge

Jesus...that looks like some 3D Design, Revozport fu**ed up shit.

Jesus would not appreciate this car at all.

M3 Adjuster · 06-19-2018, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Chicken_Joe

Weird how Porsche only needs the GT3 and the GT3RS

And 22 other models ... from 911T up to and including the all new GT2-RS

8- Carrera models
1- 911 T
2 - Targa 4 models
5 - GTS models
4 - Turbo models
1- 911 Turbo S Exclusive
2 - GT3 models
1- GT2 RS

24 - Total

https://www.porsche.com/usa/models/911/

amrazM · 06-19-2018, 11:13 AM

It has pre lci headlights so probably not.

M3 Adjuster · 06-19-2018, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Alex@AUTOcouture

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Originally Posted by Jason

This is an official BMW prototype.

tell us more......

+1. Go ahead Jason

Inquiring minds want to know ..prototype of .. ?

SunnyD · 06-19-2018, 11:15 AM

Don't know where this slots into the lineup...there's already the GTS which is the most hardcore street legal variant, and the GT4 which is a full on racecar. Wasn't the CSL supposed to replace the GTS as the most track ready car? Why would you introduce the CSL on the F8x chassis when the GTS already exists? It would make more sense if they introduce the CSL on the G8x M4.

Gabe@TAG · 06-19-2018, 11:24 AM

I don’t think this is factory-backed at all.

DDS2015 · 06-19-2018, 11:38 AM

BMW typically tests new models using the "old" or current body style to test engines etc.

I remember seeing an Xdrive F10 M5 at one point.

So we could be looking at the next gen M4 CSL that they're testing out the engine on a GTS.

G35POPPEDMYCHERRY · 06-19-2018, 11:48 AM

LOL looks like hector from fast and furious put a new body kit on it from Tokoyo

mkoesel · 06-19-2018, 11:53 AM

I believe, but can only find an indirect citation right now, that this M4 CSL rendering was once posted by SCOTT26:

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...5&postcount=58

It bears some similarities to these spy shots.

rjd598 · 06-19-2018, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by mkoesel

That was my first thought as well. It's been talked about for years, and the M4 CS goes out of production by the middle of next year which presents an opening for a CSL to end out the run. The only issue is that there isn't too much more opportunity with the existing platform to shave weight for the "Lightweight" part of the equation. By contrast, the next generation M4 will be built on the CLAR platform and that allows for carbon fibre to replace steel in the unibody. On the other hand, even if it only exhibits marginal weight loss vs. the GTS, I'm sure BMW marketing could make it work.

nice to know you admit bmw marketing is...well marketing

VCP · 06-19-2018, 12:21 PM

The front bumper reflectors are interesting given this is in Europe..

VCP · 06-19-2018, 12:24 PM

Valid theory

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Originally Posted by DDS2015

BMW typically tests new models using the "old" or current body style to test engines etc.

I remember seeing an Xdrive F10 M5 at one point.

So we could be looking at the next gen M4 CSL that they're testing out the engine on a GTS.

Al1969 · 06-19-2018, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by CP911

Bunch of haters here. Funny how no one on the Porsche forums would be so immature as to look down on track focused models like the GT3 RS or GT2RS, which have similarly aggressive aero engineering and features (e.g. fender venting and big wing).

Questioning totally superficial design decisions by BMW is one thing (especially when it's something that trickles through the whole model line-up and potentially cheapens the brand), but we see a test mule like this, and all we can do is talk about how the wing looks or what it will be named?? No wonder BMW has "lost its way." The true Motorsport fans have gone to Porsche and BMW is left with catering to a bunch of tools who cannot respect a car of this pedigree.

I really like a lot my M2, but I would not "kill" it on track, and it has a clear sport pedigree which comes true when engine and car start running, I don't see much current Porsche drivers when riding on mountain passes, generally they moat likely show off in city centers, of course on track its a different story

FormulaMMM · 06-19-2018, 12:35 PM

GTS seems the most likely current platform (other than the GT4) to test and fine tune various aero and "track" performance components. Could be for any developmental purpose.

On board with a CSL as pictured a few posts above though...

mkoesel · 06-19-2018, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by rjd598

nice to know you admit bmw marketing is...well marketing

M Division has played games with weight numbers in the past, so I think some healthy cynicism/skepticism toward the soon-to-be-resurrected CSL badge should be expected. Hopefully the vehicles live up to the hype that BMW M officials are already trying to start to build for them.

M-Pilot · 06-19-2018, 12:40 PM

I bet this is the F82 M4 CSL that SCOTT26 was talking about. I don't think they are testing the engine of next gen M4 in the current F82 chassis.

This is what SCOTT26 said in the past:

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Originally Posted by SCOTT26

I believe the first CSL will be the M4. As I have see some unique CSL inspired
Aerodynamic pieces developed for the current M4. I have reason to believe the swan song for the current car.

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E9TOU · 06-19-2018, 12:46 PM

I wish BMW made their wings curve with the lines of the car the same way Porsche's do. The wing on the GTS (and this car) looks like they grabbed a generic wing off the streets and tacked it on.

Suds · 06-19-2018, 12:54 PM

Looks like a high school project.

jpdchicago · 06-19-2018, 01:32 PM

Looks like an amateur job on a Gts, not an OEM test mule.
From what I heard, the CSL will be replacing the GTS nomenclature in the future but not meant to coexist with the Gts in the same model line.

jeff@autocouture · 06-19-2018, 01:36 PM

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=...29519677212328

Test mules of the GT4 are the only reason I can think that this might actually be from bmw, Dont forget this bad boy testing around for a while

FormulaMMM · 06-19-2018, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by jpdchicago

From what I heard, the CSL will be replacing the GTS nomenclature in the future but not meant to coexist with the Gts in the same model line.

My read as well.

With CSL replacing GTS, that leaves the M4 GTS as an equivalent to the hypothetical M4 CSL.

...it is not unsafe to assume BMW will roll out M2 CSL and M8 CSL models in the U.S. in the future, and with the known quantity that is the M4 GTS, BMW already has a standard to which its modern CSL cars will be held...

http://www.thedrive.com/news/20803/b...-supersede-gts

clubsport · 06-19-2018, 01:52 PM

It's running a race derived version of the 8cyl 3 turbo diesel. Including water injection and having the engine re-positioned 6 inches further back. The first mid-engined M4...The swan song for the F82 chassis as well as diesel engines being available in Germany.

Hey, nobody but BMW really knows whats under the hood. Could be.

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