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      Yesterday, 10:10 AM   #11925
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I will play devil's advocate and say wait a bit longer.

This was a bit of the same talk the CTS-V got last time and that went nowhere for Caddy since very few can get past the branding part.
think making them limited production and manual transmission as an option will definitely help. These aren't being mass produced like the last generation were.
LOL, you can argue the entire ATS-V run was "limited production"... so limited, they didn't sell.

I'm with Arcades here. C&D was throwing heaps of praise (as much if not more than the Blackwing is getting today) over the CTS-V back in 2015 ending with the verdict "A very scary sedan, but only if you happen to be employed by Mercedes-AMG, BMW's M division, or Audi's Quattro GmbH." The ATS beat BMW on comparison tests and won Car of the Year by Motor Trend IIRC. There was "special edition" limited run too - didn't help.

Top Gear, after glowingly praising the 2016 Caddy-V, saying "This new CTS-V has not just leveled its offer with the competition, it's surpassed it..." Then went on to caution: "So the only thing that might stop you is the looks or the brand. The first, to our eyes, has been improved and modernised well. The second depends on why you drive a car – for yourself or other people." In other words, the Caddy brand.
I don't disagree, there is an image that some associate with Cadillac, and I never said they were going to sell, but it does seem that this time they are going to try avoid having them sit on dealer lots by mainly producing ordered builds. I do know there is a waitlist at the moment still, but of course the current market being as it is also does have its effect.

I still think this will easily be fondly remembered in the future and have the possibility of holding value well, even the gen 2 (especially wagons) and gen 3 CTS-V's have held values pretty well before the chip/new car shortage.

Like @DMK08 said "It's surely a shame people allow brand snobbery to keep them out of amazing cars."
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Saw a SPY G80, what a terrible, absolutely horrendous color. Wow...
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Saw a SPY G80, what a terrible, absolutely horrendous color. Wow...
I'm so sick of the constant gaslighting of the G8x on the front page! It's truly pathetic that the philosophy is to keep cramming it in everyone's feed. It's like look at this cool guy he bought a new m3/m4 and so should you. SMH
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I'm so sick of the constant gaslighting of the G8x on the front page! It's truly pathetic that the philosophy is to keep cramming it in everyone's feed. It's like look at this cool guy he bought a new m3/m4 and so should you. SMH
I don't even look at the front page much at all.

I just go to this thread

I honestly don't care all that much about what they're doing anymore, it's just bad 90% of the time and seeing that color G80 just made me sad.
If they do something cool, I'll probably read about it here or elsewhere without getting my eyes tortured with that thing.

Like, that car could be the best car in the universe (lol), and I'd never buy it simply because of the styling alone.
Only, ONLY positive from the exterior, is the exhaust tips but they're dressed in prolapse anyway so
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I'm so sick of the constant gaslighting of the G8x on the front page! It's truly pathetic that the philosophy is to keep cramming it in everyone's feed. It's like look at this cool guy he bought a new m3/m4 and so should you. SMH
It’s a concerted effort - just the typical guerrilla style marketing that companies use these days. They flood all forms of social media with all sorts of positivity about there product/service. It’s not just BMW or cars, it’s all major companies. Bimmerpost is just one social media outlet for BMW specifically.

Idk it’s just painfully obvious to me these days when I see products/services getting marketed thru influencers/content/social media. It’s as simple as flooding a comment section with praise or giving early access to “reviewers” to spread a certain message. Modern social media is the perfect avenue to connect directly to consumers, there’s next to no verifiability or accountability yet it has just as strong a voice if not more than traditional media forms, which whether you like it or not, typically have some basic level of accountability/verifiability/integrity. It’s just human nature as it relates to group think, the more people say something the more likely others will believe it regardless of if it’s true or not.
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It’s a concerted effort - just the typical guerrilla style marketing that companies use these days. They flood all forms of social media with all sorts of positivity about there product/service. It’s not just BMW or cars, it’s all major companies. Bimmerpost is just one social media outlet for BMW specifically.

Idk it’s just painfully obvious to me these days when I see products/services getting marketed thru influencers/content/social media. It’s as simple as flooding a comment section with praise or giving early access to “reviewers” to spread a certain message. Modern social media is the perfect avenue to connect directly to consumers, there’s next to no verifiability or accountability yet it has just as strong a voice if not more than traditional media forms, which whether you like it or not, typically have some basic level of accountability/verifiability/integrity. It’s just human nature as it relates to group think, the more people say something the more likely others will believe it regardless of if it’s true or not.
Agreed, and in regards to the forums here, it's easy to spot instagrammers who repost their sponsored insta posts on here. I also recall a few blatantly sponsored threads where the dude was just spamming multiple sections about his great CF steering wheel or some dumb crap.

Anyone remember Bimmerpost Car of the Month awards?
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LOL, you can argue the entire ATS-V run was "limited production"... so limited, they didn't sell.
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It’s a concerted effort - just the typical guerrilla style marketing that companies use these days. They flood all forms of social media with all sorts of positivity about there product/service. It’s not just BMW or cars, it’s all major companies. Bimmerpost is just one social media outlet for BMW specifically.
My advice for anyone thinking of buying a luxury product in the next 5 years, do it now! All luxury brands are pivoting to the same set of sales techniques:

(1.) Raising wholesale prices, but keeping MSRP the same

This cuts into authorized dealer profits and limits their ability to discount - thus consumer discounting starts drying up. If an AD goes out of business the manufacturer replaces it with a boutique. While auto dealers have law on their side (for now!), they're starting to use the same technique.

(2.) Limiting production
Purposely producing under demand raises prices and triggers the human scarcity response into paying more. Rolex is the most obvious about this - and despite doing it for 6 years now you still have Rolex fanbois in denial about it. In the auto-world Ferrari has famously always "produced 1 less than demand" and now MB & BMW are openly promising to limit production - Porsche already does.

(3.) Producing limited editions / capsule collections
This is great way to keep prices up, limit production, and ensure dealers can't & won't dump oversupply on the grey-market since most dealers will only get a few. Automakers have already been doing this for awhile, especially BMW, and I think we can expect a lot more of it, with lower volumes and more distinctive editions.

And, with cars, BEVs are only going accelerate this all the more with ICE models being the highest-margin niche models. If you're looking for a good auto investment - independent Porsche service & repair shops. People with 911s & especially SUVs can expect service prices to start rising as Porsche begins replacing their lines with BEVs, starting with the Macan.


This is where maybe there's good news for Cadillac:

If they can stick around long enough with an accessible sports sedan, they may end up with a hit ... though right now Hyundai/Kia is probably best positioned for that.
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(1.) Raising wholesale prices, but keeping MSRP the same

This cuts into authorized dealer profits and limits their ability to discount - thus consumer discounting starts drying up. If an AD goes out of business the manufacturer replaces it with a boutique. While auto dealers have law on their side (for now!), they're starting to use the same technique.

(2.) Limiting production
Purposely producing under demand raises prices and triggers the human scarcity response into paying more. Rolex is the most obvious about this - and despite doing it for 6 years now you still have Rolex fanbois in denial about it. In the auto-world Ferrari has famously always "produced 1 less than demand" and now
I wonder how long dealers will last, or turn into dedicated factory authorized service centers - I can't help but think that some of these major auto manufacturers could increase their margins by going direct to consumer. They can charge less and make more literally by just cutting out the middle man.

Realistically tho dealers are here to stay at least for a little while longer. I've done work for a few major dealers and a colleague of mine is a dealer SME... they're so fundamentally rooted in US politics that they aren't going anywhere for the time being.
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I wonder how long dealers will last, or turn into dedicated factory authorized service centers - I can't help but think that some of these major auto manufacturers could increase their margins by going direct to consumer. They can charge less and make more literally by just cutting out the middle man.

Realistically tho dealers are here to stay at least for a little while longer. I've done work for a few major dealers and a colleague of mine is a dealer SME... they're so fundamentally rooted in US politics that they aren't going anywhere for the time being.
Dealers are not going anywhere, too many greased palms supporting them. Especially since most dealerships are now owned by huge corporations like Autonation.
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It's a concerted effort - just the typical guerrilla style marketing that companies use these days. They flood all forms of social media with all sorts of positivity about there product/service. It's not just BMW or cars, it's all major companies. Bimmerpost is just one social media outlet for BMW specifically.

Idk it's just painfully obvious to me these days when I see products/services getting marketed thru influencers/content/social media. It's as simple as flooding a comment section with praise or giving early access to "reviewers" to spread a certain message. Modern social media is the perfect avenue to connect directly to consumers, there's next to no verifiability or accountability yet it has just as strong a voice if not more than traditional media forms, which whether you like it or not, typically have some basic level of accountability/verifiability/integrity. It's just human nature as it relates to group think, the more people say something the more likely others will believe it regardless of if it's true or not.
Agreed, and in regards to the forums here, it's easy to spot instagrammers who repost their sponsored insta posts on here. I also recall a few blatantly sponsored threads where the dude was just spamming multiple sections about his great CF steering wheel or some dumb crap.

Anyone remember Bimmerpost Car of the Month awards?
It's very hard to get hyped these days because everyone seems so obviously paid and bought for.

There are very few I'd trust and possibly the only one I'd say is TH simply because they seem genuine with how they behave and their background.

Maybe I'm just getting very cynical as I'm getting older
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This is a pretty cool series on Misha's channel where he brings with engineer working on the Polestar cars and do some laps and talking about the car.

They've done one on winter for the P2 and summers with P1 in addition to this one.
Misha shows how much skills are a factor and not the car you're in.
Polestar seems very impressive!
My polestar 2 should be arriving in the next week or so. I switched out to a 21' coming in sooner. Pretty excited to try out the öhlins.
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This is a pretty cool series on Misha's channel where he brings with engineer working on the Polestar cars and do some laps and talking about the car.

They've done one on winter for the P2 and summers with P1 in addition to this one.
Misha shows how much skills are a factor and not the car you're in.
Polestar seems very impressive!
My polestar 2 should be arriving in the next week or so. I switched out to a 21' coming in sooner. Pretty excited to try out the öhlins.
Yep. Seems like a really nice car.
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