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09-30-2013, 07:55 AM | #617 |
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My point is, I flat out dont believe BMW. Until I see actual numbers, this is all marketing propaganda to me.
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09-30-2013, 08:10 AM | #618 | |
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But still don't explain YOUR calculations you presented us with, which REALLY didn't add up... Is it the E9X M3 specs you don't believe, the F8x specs or any specs provided by BMW? So, do you believe that a car that is based on a new model F3x, which to begin with is 15kg lighter than it's predecessor (E92 335i vs F32 435i), has a smaller engine (V8 vs I6), has a lighter gearbox, has CFRP roof etc. isn't lighter than the E92 M3? |
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09-30-2013, 10:26 AM | #620 | |
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I KNEW that the next one would be faster than the outgoing (doesn't take much to know that right?) and I didn't care because I absolutely love the S65 and it's more than good enough for my needs. I never turn on my radio (except when the gf is in the car and wants music) because I have a symphony under my hood magnified by my AA exhaust. You satisfied..? Lol The M is my weekend car/track car and I love it as is. My forced induction daily car is my S4. Is your goal to shoot down all E9x owners? Is it really so hard to believe some people actually love the S65 and don't cry about fuel costs? Enjoy your day ... It's a beautiful sunny day here and I'll be taking my M to work instead of my S4.
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09-30-2013, 10:35 AM | #621 | |
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The e92 m3 is def a pretty heavy car, and even if the new f82 is 35XX lbs as most have proven out it will be (fully loaded), thats still not a light car either way. At the same time, as Ive previously said, any weight loss is nice and I dont see M cars as viable track cars anymore so 3500 lbs isnt a huge issue for me. I would not track any car over ~3100-3200 lbs. It is nice to see them making the effort, but as weve seen before, the e92 m3 was "claimed" to have been lighter and it wasnt, so my skepticism stems from that. And IMO, the M5/M6/M6GC are totally the antithesis of what BMW M stands, or once stood for. I have hope that the M3/4 being their bread and butter wont be a failure like those cars. |
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But, I agree. The lighter the better |
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However, it was your negativity towards the F8x that made me ask what I did... To paraphrase, is it so hard to believe that many actually are excited about the new F8x cars, return to a straight six and more accessible power delivery? I have enjoyed my day btw, sunny and crisp autumn weather. Local launch of the 4-series later this week as well |
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09-30-2013, 01:44 PM | #625 | |
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Lighter is always better. Ill gladly trade outright power for less weight...especially when that car performs in the real world far more than its paper stats (ala 911). |
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Because there are plenty of tests that doesn't say it's isolated or a "failure"... If you have had many hours behind the wheel of current and previous gen M5's then your view holds more substance. If not it's nothing but the opinion of a keyboard warrior... Last edited by Boss330; 10-02-2013 at 04:31 PM.. |
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10-02-2013, 04:49 PM | #627 |
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Watch out Boss.....posts like that ^^^ will suddenly disappear. Ask me how I know.
For goodness sake some people around here think the only thing that should be tracked is a Caterham. There are plenty of cars north of 3,200 lbs that are fantastic track cars. Hell, the new C7 weighs more than 3,200 lbs. |
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yes they are gone, I worked so hard in your response and now it's gone ...
It's just a matter of preference. There's people that don't care about being fast and have a car that can sustain the whole weekend of fun, there's others that want to have fun and have a car that can be driven to it's limits and actually reward the driver, and can do it over and over and over again. A car that's heavy not only makes the whole 'system' work a lot harder, and will also be more expensive to run and most of the time less pleasurable to drive. But as you know it all .... On paper corvette has everything to be a great track car, as long it works, it will be, I personally can't get over how the car looks. Still cheap, but not that cheap, I'll still need to drive it. Just like a ugly fat girl that is a great performer. You still have to look at her while you have sex....
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If I wanted a pure cheap track car, I'd have an S2000 or something like that. |
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A lot worse in person than on the pics, and also what about the ride height ?
Car has more than 3 inches of gap on the wheel well, not only that but the carbon roof, looked like it went thru hail ... really bumpy, and the orange peal on the panels are awful.
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Orange peel complaints are all over the Corvette Forum. |
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The problem for me is with cars that can't withstand the track use when used to it's full potential, and besides the 997TT there, they can't. The E92 is a great compromise, but in order to work on track the way I personally like) would take too much work and $$$ that you will never see back again. I already posted my personal experience with the GT-R, it's just not for me, although is a stupid fast car. The older I get, the more I like the older cars, lighter, smaller, more analog, with less HP so you don't get in trouble on the road. It can still be done, and looks like BMW is proving it again. They moved away from their driving experience from the older cars after the E36 (Euro) IMO. I'm looking forward to see the results in real world. When you have chance to drive a lightweight driver's car in anger, do it ... it will change your perception. I assure you. And I don't mean 3000 lbs, I mean 2000-2500 max.
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Unfortunately Porsche still alone in this department, would be fantastic to have another brand trying to take their spot, so they can review the stupidity of only offering a PDK GT car, full of gizmos, in the meantime I'll keep the 'old' Mezger with 3 pedal technology.
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For people who missed the E92 M3 waited too long to place an order and would be okay with a non NA engine, I would save a little more and go with a GT-R. There will be no question about it. Last edited by V8FunNaturally; 10-02-2013 at 10:49 PM.. |
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As far as I can tell, NO OWNER of a C7 has complained of orange peel...since the damn car on;y has a few owners in the US, all the cars that have been seen are pre-production cars...
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Huh, the carbon roof looks good, and the cars are pre-production, as far as i could tell, nobody has complain of the C7 and orange peel, yet...
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Bad carbon and paint job.
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