10-22-2018, 01:38 PM | #1 |
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Is a 911T a good complement to my M4 CS?
I have been looking at the 911T for some time. I know it's not an NA engine Pcar, but according to many reviewers its pretty fast, sounds good, is fun to drive, reasonably priced, ample feedback, and has a back to basics approach. I would buy a manual version if I were to decide and rear steering. My only gripe are the brakes which are not even the S brakes and I'm not sure if getting the ceramics make sense (please don't turn this into a ceramic vs. steel brake thread)
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I'm interested in this question too but more so to replace my F80 when the time comes. Always wanted a 911...
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my $0.02 is its too close to your current car.
F80 m3 sedan + GT series Porsche would be better, in my opinion, as would an SUV which can tow, and a 997 modified for club racing Not sure what your going to gain with 2 street cars with similar acceleration potential and similar 2 dr / 4 seats shape |
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Not sure... the driving experience of a Porsche is very different than an M4. I love my CS but I driven 911 and 911S (997.2 version) on track and there is something very unique en particular about the feeling of driving a Porsche. Their is a connected and kart like feeling that is very unique to Pcars. From the reviews the background I'm getting is that the T driving experience and feels more Porsche of old than the typical 991.2s. Also they all say it's faster than the normal 911. The CS incredibly competent and fast, and I would not trade it for anything (I love it!!), but it still feels somewhat large in size to me. So having a smaller "sportier" pcar with a traditional manual sounds appealing to me as a complement. |
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10-22-2018, 05:34 PM | #6 |
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992 debuts in Nov at LA Auto Show. I’d hold off on any 991.2 purchase.
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I dunno, I loved driving by brother's GT4 at mosport but it is a very expensive car and not clear to me its more fun than an actual track car I've seen some posts that a stock 991.2 GTS is similar or slightly slower in times to a club racing prepared e36m. That's either a great win for a street car, or a lot of $ to spend to not be faster than a 20+ year old modded car, depending on your perspective and love for pcar brand full disclosure on bias: I'm going through a phase of not tracking street cars right now, and will be selling my 911 turbo soon |
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Please note that if you spec the T with a PDK, you lose the Porsche Torque Vectoring, Limited Slip Mechanical Diff.
Get the T if you want a low spec 911 with a Manual. It is not as fast as the f8x even with pdk, the numbers are close, with the 911 pull off the line faster to 60 with rear engine traction, but losing speed past 60, to match the f8x at the 1/4 mile. It is indeed awesome, I drove test drove one, the loss of sound deadening and the lightweight glass makes road noise a real part of the experience - makes everything more visceral and the car also includes pasm sport which is another 10 mm lower than the regular 911- great car.
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also the 992 is coming in with an 8 spd pdk, being smaller than the current 7, the space is ready for a hybrid motor- which is going to be released on the 992.2, the problem is that the 992.1 will be a sort of filler model with a larger size chassis, and similar spec 3.0 engine as the 991.2. The base model will get a nice bump and the S will get to 450 hp, but the performance improvement should be nominal, with the new car weighing the same or slightly more, and the hp increase to be 30-40 hp. The interior of the 992 is also going to mimic the panamera gauges, as well as center console- Not sure if you have stepped in the current pan, it is very glossy, hard plastic- with haptic buttons that you cannot see while driving.
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If I was remotely interested in a 991, I would go 991.1(GTS preferably). They will start to hold their value, being the last NA base models. The turbo era will only be that much better in the 992. Last edited by hellrotm; 10-22-2018 at 10:53 PM.. |
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Consider a Lotus Evora, it will blow you away. You can find a good one in the 40s or 50s and you an get a 430 with more $$. Not the same quality interior and design as a Porsche but from a driving standpoint, it's as engaging and go-karty as it gets. Feels much more unique too. I had a Lotus Elise and regret selling it. A 911 feels quite heavy in comparison.
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2015 m3 0-60 3.8 seconds 1/4 mile: 12.0 @ 119 mph 2017 911 base 0-60 3.4 seconds 1/4 mile 11.9 @ 118 mph both are the same 0-100 at 8.5 seconds. they are nearly identical. the T is only about 30 lbs less than the base 911, less than 1% of the weight. Porsche themselves say both the 911 base and T have the same 0-60 times with the same sport chrono launch control. As you can see, the 911 loses the acceleration advantage (rear engine, better launch control) past 60, with the M3 starting to gain speed and match it at the 1/4 mile, where the 911 loses the .4 second advantage it had at 60. This is merely one metric of comparison, everyone knows the 911 spanks the m3 on any track. https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...ic-test-review https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...ra-test-review
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Base 991.2 vs base 992: Length (front overhang) increased by 1" Front Track increased by 1.6" Rear Track widebody increased by 1.7" This is a modified, enlarged 991.2 chassis, with revised engine mounts moved a bit forward. The 992 is already designed for electrification and Porsche needed more room, for the future electric motors and batteries, and reinforced chassis, with the added 300-500lbs of weight.
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The 911 T seems to be the hot ticket right now and worth taking a look at.
I traded my 2015 M4 in for a 991.1 GTS and have been really impressed with it especially on the track. Even though it’s “slower” than the M4 in a drag race for sure, it’s way quicker on a track. I’ve been 2-5 seconds faster per lap in it vs. the M4. The Porsche is stock except for Cup2 tires, while I used to use R888’s and track pads on the M4. nicknaz: fully track prepped E36M not a fair comparison for either cars, but my Porsche drives more similar to the E36 than my M4 did. Lap times are pretty similar in my hands between the two cars, although the e36 is more consistent.
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Can get a track prepped e36m for the same money as those options, and keep the 911 T as a street car without those options. |
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The answer to your thread title is no.
The 911T is a great substitute for your M4cs
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