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I would only consider pre-owned. Let's be honest most of the dudes that buy these cars are getting up there in years. I would wager that a majority of used Porsche's haven't seen triple digit speeds let alone track time. I'm all over the place thinking about my next car. Wife wants to kill me Edit: I WONT be getting anything with buck tooth grilles that is fo sure |
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There’s no perfect car. And you’ll want something else no matter what you get. Just pick something you want to try, that won’t lose as much value, and go for it. My $0.02, get a 997 gt3, try it for a while, resell. Maybe you will or won’t get back what you bought it for, but it shouldn’t depreciate much, unless you stuff it |
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In short, yes. Not really much to dispute there. The thing is, despite that, they are still setting record sales every year and are the most profitable car maker in the world. Again, people know what they are getting into when they enter the world of Porsches and if anything, people appreciate how customizable the cars are (I know I do - now 9 Porsches in). It would take a paradigm shift for their current structure to deviate from what they’ve been doing for as long as I can remember. The 992 is continues to prove that they know their product (its price) and their customers well.
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There is a difference between providing customization and price gouging on every bit of it, especially on things such as the MF being way above market rate. |
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As far as sales go, I think as a top manufacturer their business and future is set up for long term success, especially let when you consider the juggernaut of Porsche, Bugatti, Audi, Lamborghini, etc. Last edited by Funf6cyl; 10-29-2019 at 10:20 PM.. |
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IMO Porsche (and BMW to a lesser extent) will end up regretting their strategies. Many companies were once “juggernauts” and no longer are anything due to arrogance. Even some on your list have had to be saved/resurrected before an will again if they continue down this path. A quick search on cars.com shows quite a few leftover Porsche’s at steep discounts they can’t sell. It seems the mighty Porsche brand isn’t immune to market forces either. |
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The main dichotomy I see with BMW and Porsche, and by and large when you compare to Audi, Mercedes etc is that Porsche is known as the premium marquee (and has been basically as long as they’ve been around) and has been working more cars into lower price brackets which has served them well and lead to not only the obvious conquest sales, but also bringing more people into a brand they dream of owning. The others are doing the opposite in trying to establish 100k+ cars and hasn’t really worked well. Ultimately, car companies need the vision of what their brand is, but the agility to meet ever changing demands. Those that can drive top down strategy to execution which stimulates its core base (returning sale, multiple cars) but also encompasses new customers is the one most able to succeed. Last edited by Funf6cyl; 10-30-2019 at 08:23 PM.. |
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My point on the 992 was simply that they can do almost whatever they want with price and it will have little to no impact on sales. The area the 911 is priced, it’s so good it’s hard to compete with. |
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Seems like the ongoing trends I see on bimmerpost are a bunch of posts that rag on BMW and their direction with their new vehicles; yet at the same time, I keep seeing new posts stating record high sales in the month of (xxxx). Interesting...
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I could not agree more....Until this week I've been completely agnostic towards Porsche (mostly the 'price gouging' and endless number of options you can tick making it difficult to comprehend building a car to the uninitiated). My first experience with a Porsche dealer ended with me being laughed at by a salesperson at the suggestion that the price of a Macan was negotiable (granted this is when they first came out, so maybe deserved but eff that guy and that dealership). So I bought my M3 - more rear legroom, bigger trunk space, better performance, and a manual tranny. For me at the time the Macan would have been a huge mistake TBH and could not have been happier with the M3 in all around practicality. CanAut has it completely right - this generation of Ms now has a lot of competition making them 2nd best at everything...meaning on a whole the best at everything for what they are, especially with 3 kids. I have driven M2C/M3C/M4C/M5C on tracks. M2 is really magic and think the Manual M2CS will be a really special BMW. The M3 is still for me the right size for my life yet doesn't feel heavy on track. It is still tossable and deals very competently with weight shifts with great mechanical grip. M5 is a lot of fun when coming out of corners, but just too big for my taste (but when my 3 kids are bigger, and have more crap to bring with them on trips...). Then I had what I can only describe as a spiritual experience earlier this week. It left me with the feeling that I had accomplished everything I would ever want out of life (other than making sure my kids don't grow up to be assholes--except when necessary). Got to drive a 991.2 GT3 for 3 hours on track. I have no words. It truly is another level. Power, linear, predictable, raw, aural experience...just something that completely embodies what it is...one of those things in life where form and function are in complete harmony. I would have bought the thing right then and there on the spot if it were for sale and then asked questions of which kidney or child would I sell to make that happen later (right or left kidney that is, not which child )....So I left that experience wondering if all 911s have that same underlying magic / DNA and I suspect they do. I think this is why everyone is up in arms over what BMW M is doing...losing that magical DNA that they had, even though I've only ever driven an F80 and think its swell . But for where I am in my life right now, how much I would want to drive the car, and 3 kids I think the M3 is still by far the best value for price and most capable car there is out there. Driving the GT3 also helped me appreciate how capable the F8X platform really is...it is not that far off (unless you trust C&D VIR hot lap times) and less than 1/2 the price. So will wait and see what the G8X platform holds with my only intent to keep my current F80 for several more years (I own, didn't lease so have time)... But now I'm more than tempted away...Looking at the 911 lineup I'd have to say the 911 Carrera T in a manual has got to be a fabulous driver's car, and if its a GT3 it has to be a PDK, I wouldn't want that in a manual (and I've only ever had manuals, so paradigm shift for me). And to Porsche's credit when they realized they had a potential engine problem with the 991.1 they acknowledged it, owned it, and took care of it...thats what I think their price buys you...but you can't take a family of 5 anywhere in one either... I suspect in a couple of years when the 992 GT3 allocations start rolling out and the platform is polished Porsche's price gouging bubble will burst, especially in the used market with everyone trying to "flip" GT cars (financially, not literally)....
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With the Macans, Cayenne's, X vehicles sure. But, I don’t buy that is has to with the higher end of each manufacturer lines 911s/Ms etc.
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I love my Carrera T (PDK) and enjoyed my 991.2S (7MT) as well. They perform well above the paper stats and are easily make some of the best drivers car while offering feel, precision, and decent practicality. Porsche keeps saying they are going to fulfill demand on upcoming GT cars, but I don’t believe it until I see it. Last edited by Funf6cyl; 11-03-2019 at 10:54 AM.. |
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