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      08-19-2013, 08:42 PM   #1079
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In regard to the manufacturing of carbon fiber parts, remember, BMW has a partner in SGL as well as Boeing. SGL manufactures carbon fibers. Meaning, SGL produces the fibers(strands) that make up the cloth and the carbon fiber cloth itself. This alone greatly reduces the cost of manufacturing CF parts as compared to most other CF part manufacturers. Also, I don't think BMW & SGL use an autoclave for the production of CF parts, which also greatly reduces the overall cost of CF made parts. As proof, prior to the i3 and i8, the least expensive auto to use a CF chassis was the McLaren MP4-12C at approx. $230k base US. I'm sure everyone here knows the base price of an i3 in comparison. So a $600.00 carbon fiber hood for say, a Honda Civic would essentially cost $300.00 or less possibly.

When I first heard of the partnership / collaboration between SGL as well as Boeing I had a BIG smile on my face.
SGL gets it started and you should see what Boeing has going on with CF parts manufacturing.
This was a veeeery smart move that BMW has made.....
wow!
very impressive input on CF!

however, what was your reference on Honda Civic's CF hood $600 VS $300?
Did you mean, BMW has the power to cut the cost of CF in half?
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      08-19-2013, 09:02 PM   #1080
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      08-19-2013, 09:31 PM   #1081
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      08-19-2013, 09:39 PM   #1082
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All good except for that damn hood I absolutely hate the way it slopes down. Don't like any of the new 3 series with the same damn hood
It's more than likely shaped as such to benefit the newest revisions of efficient dynamics...
If BMW made it that way you can be certain that they spent a lot of $ time and resources perfecting it in their wind tunnel ... Ugly or not I'm sure it works well and cuts air like a mpowered scalpel Just a thought - because that's a lot of barfing !
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      08-19-2013, 10:11 PM   #1083
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My point is just that BMW and SGL have the ability to manufacture CF parts at a lower cost than probably any other auto manufacturer at this time.
I pulled the $600.00 number out of thin air for the purpose of example... :-)
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wow!
very impressive input on CF!

however, what was your reference on Honda Civic's CF hood $600 VS $300?
Did you mean, BMW has the power to cut the cost of CF in half?
Oops
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      08-19-2013, 10:47 PM   #1085
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I just died.. Best looking BMW in ages.
Agreed. Wow! This is car porn.

Good-bye Audi and Mercedes. BMW found its design mojo again.
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      08-19-2013, 10:57 PM   #1086
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In regard to the manufacturing of carbon fiber parts, remember, BMW has a partner in SGL as well as Boeing. SGL manufactures carbon fibers. Meaning, SGL produces the fibers(strands) that make up the cloth and the carbon fiber cloth itself. This alone greatly reduces the cost of manufacturing CF parts as compared to most other CF part manufacturers. Also, I don't think BMW & SGL use an autoclave for the production of CF parts, which also greatly reduces the overall cost of CF made parts. As proof, prior to the i3 and i8, the least expensive auto to use a CF chassis was the McLaren MP4-12C at approx. $230k base US. I'm sure everyone here knows the base price of an i3 in comparison. So a $600.00 carbon fiber hood for say, a Honda Civic would essentially cost $300.00 or less possibly.

When I first heard of the partnership / collaboration between SGL as well as Boeing I had a BIG smile on my face.
SGL gets it started and you should see what Boeing has going on with CF parts manufacturing.
This was a veeeery smart move that BMW has made.....
Good points. This has been extensively discussed here on this forum. BMW will indeed benefit on price per volume for all of its vehicles using the same basic raw carbon fibers, the bulk of which initially will go into the i3.
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      08-19-2013, 11:08 PM   #1087
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Finally some definitive information about Aurum Dust. There goes that option. Wonder what the substitute yellow you reference will look like. Since you say similar, I'm assuming its a metallic as well.
My thinking on this is that Aurum Dust basically took the M Concept color torch from Chrome Shadow. So, loosely, if we look at how close (or not...) BMW's production silver/gray colors have come to resembling Chrome Shadow, so too may be the case for gold/yellow vs. Aurum Dust.

Now granted I am assuming that Aurum Dust uses a similar astronomically expensive, complex, multi-layer process like CS does.
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      08-20-2013, 03:44 AM   #1088
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Thanks a lot for the new videos and the photos. The M4 is truly nice. However in my opinion BMW should have left the round lights

Concerning the video "Laguna Seca Reveal in the BMW Paddock", yesterday, when I first looked at the video, there was a beautiful instrumental song with drums,guitar and organ (I'm not sure if it was an organ or a piano).It was a rhythmic song. Is it possible to know the name of the band?

Thanks
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      08-20-2013, 06:20 AM   #1089
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      08-20-2013, 10:31 AM   #1090
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      08-20-2013, 02:00 PM   #1091
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I've loved every single M3 prior to this one coming out. Maybe it's the hideous color or the fact that it seems extremely busy to me. I think it's the color. I'll save my judgement for the M3. No it's not the color, there is way to much goingon in the front end, the hood, the roof lines to the rear deck. This looks like a tuner car to me. I'll probably end up getting it anyway after one comes off lease.
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      08-20-2013, 09:34 PM   #1092
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You base you car buying decision on the look of a hood ?
Somewhat. Yes, I hate the sloping hood and straight line, so why buy a car I think is ugly? I think all of the new 3 series line-up is hideous from the front and much prefer my old E92 328i.

But also, I wanted to try the V8 before it was gone. Maybe in 3 years when my lease is up I'll warm up to the new design and try the 6 turbo to take advantage of mpg. So far no regrets on the last of the E92 M. Will I be jealous when they can chip it to 500+hp? No, because I can supercharge to 650.

What's there to be jealous of for F82?

PS - the rest of the car is pretty good and pretty much draws a break even on the hood, from the pics. Other criticism is the hood dome is barely there, no intakes, side marker/intakes diminished. Less differentiation from other 3's with "M" packages.
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Thanks Jason, that was great coverage.
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What's there to be jealous of for F82?
Ahhhh good ol' buyers remorse. There's a TON to be jealous of! Just look at the thing! And if speculations are correct, this thing will be a BEAST!
Don't worry though. E92 is still an awesome car. Just not as awesome as this M4 will be
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just sounds like 3.0L turbo haha
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      08-21-2013, 02:47 AM   #1096
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What's there to be jealous of for F82?
Well, what about:

-light weight
-better handling (see point above)
-newer design/New model
-better acceleration
-torque vectoring diff

Just to name what we know so far.

You loose the "Muscle Car V8" engine, but how many F10 M5 owners do you hear being unhappy with the torque and power delivery of their turbo engine...
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M3 GT rendering, what do you think?



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I'm always honest...so this ///M3 GT is hidious...sorry man
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      08-21-2013, 12:46 PM   #1099
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M3 GT? No thanks, but a wagon would be interresting.
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M3 GT rendering, what do you think?



If the 3GT M were to come (which would be a big surprise) it wouldn't look close to this rendering, which misses the flared wheel arches and stands taller than the already available M sport version. If you fixed these crucial things it would actually look decent.
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