How will the F8x M3/M4 be remembered?

[bmbweber]

Originally Posted by Poochie

I found about 50 more under for 40k retail with less than 30k miles, if you need more convincing. Let me know.

Would love to see the extensive accident history on those

[Humdizzle]

Its following the same depreciation curve as every M3.

clean e46 comp pack cars still go for more than bottom of the barrel E92s.
clean e92 6 speed comps go for more than ratted out early model M4s with dct/sunroof.

[Karnidge]

I have MPE and I love the sound of the exhaust. I also like the look of the 4 tail pipes with carbon fiber tips. It looks bad ass.

[Flacht3]

I feel the F8X will be remembered as a turning point for M overall.

In my opinion, it was this generation that aligned with BMW slapping an M badge on almost anything and everything. Between the years of 2015-2019 is when M became just another spinoff for BMW.

The F8X was an amazing performance car that really stood out from its 3 and 4 series counterparts. However I think the G generation will see things blurring together much more, and lots more M spinoffs and offerings. The next M3 will be amazing, but blur together too much amongst other offerings especially amongst the non-car guy crowd. The F8X will be remembered as the "last true M series", just like all the series before it but less due to its sound or driving style like the generations before...but more so due to the fact it was the last time an M truly stood out as an M.

It will also be remembered as the bridge model. Everyone was up in arms about the turbos, the tech, etc. But moving forward, no one will ever bat an eye when M3/4s are loaded with tech and creature comforts.

[CSanto]

Want to somewhat revive this thread.
I'm looking at some older M cars to potentially acquire as an "investment"
Looking at the V10 E60 M5 in a 6MT
The E92 in a comp 6MT

Low mileage, well taken care of examples of these cars are fetching big money.
55k for a low mile comp 6mt E92 - crazy considering they are 6-8 years old and MSRP was only in the mid 70s.

So..will we find ourselves looking for the Perfect F8X in 5 years? Comp pack, 6MT etc?
Or will this generation be undesirable due to the fact that there is no bespoke M Motor?

What is the communities thoughts?

[scoale]

E46 M3 - naturally aspirated six w/ stick. Great looking and great size.

E92 M3 - all about the V8, new DCT, carbon fiber hood, and great comp package rims.

F80 M3 - turbo/torque, CF drive shaft, chassis. Controversial EPS, active sound, & M3/M4 designations.


I think F80 will be considered worthy of the M badge. I judge that it has superior torque, brakes, handling, seating position, and turn in as compared to my E92 M3. It also feels lighter and more agile. The E92 sounded better and, in my view, looked a bit better from some angles. I also prefer the E92 interior, with exception of seats and seating position. E92 steering had more feel, but F80 is precise and linear w/ zero dead spot on center.


I think the fact that the competition closed the gap will also color how the car is viewed. The E46 and E92 M3s benefit from clearly outcompeting their contemporaries. A bit unfair because the F80 is competing against MUCH better cars.

[FormulaMMM]

Originally Posted by CSanto

The E92 in a comp 6MT

Low mileage, well taken care of examples of these cars are fetching big money.
55k for a low mile comp 6mt E92 - crazy considering they are 6-8 years old and MSRP was only in the mid 70s.

Worth every penny I think, and will appreciate from there. Although I don't think the 6MT should fetch a premium with the E9X gen. I've owned both, DCT box was the better match for the S65 imo.

Another way to think about it: If DCT was an option for the E46 ZCP or CSL (if manual were available in the CSL), would that model be less desirable nowadays? I really doubt it.

I see the E90 in particular (admittedly bias) as equally desirable long-term to the E39, for example, which I've also owned. You've probably seen value activity on low mileage E39s.

The E9X - it oozes special. They'll never duplicate it. Drive an F90 and E90 back to back and all of the "directness," "engagement," etc. cliches apply. The S65 is just incredible, steals the show. $1000 per 100 revs from 2900 to 8400 rpm sounds about right. No amount of turbocharged power or acceleration can substitute. You become acclimated to any power, and usually in a short amount of time. We're headed toward an era where every performance car will be a mini P1, 918 Spyder. Absurd acceleration is a given. The 2025 Kia Stinger might have 600 hp. Cars that entertain with engine character are becoming fewer and fewer.

I think that the CS and GTS versions of the F8X will be sought after. They're enough of a departure from the norm. The base and Comp pack F8X are massively capable, but not special, don't offer distinct personality.

Sounds like the CS and GTS will be the last rwd performance variants too, so there might be something there.

Try as they might, I think that M will struggle to imbue their cars with tangible personality and character. awd will be a game changer in terms of acceleration and track performance, won't add character.

M cars with distinct, even quirky traits are the ones enthusiasts will pine after. Especially as we move into awd, more disconnected (I fear), eventually hybrid M era. By then the E9X will feel like an E30.