Video: M3 VS Giulia Quadrifoglio Owners' real life comparison (UK versions)

[mc3456]

Originally Posted by MCarRacr07

@mc3456....DID I HEAR YOU CORRECTLY??!!....I like to think I had a hand in converting you
Regards
M
aka MDriver

Still love my M3, but now that it had been de-modded, I'm definitely loving the Quadrafoglio much more. Versus the tuned M3, it was closer then, but the Alfa is definitely better driving and feels much faster...surprisingly so. Did not think that was even possible! As you know, I like to change up cars frequently, and when I started looking for something different, I was bummed out because I couldn't anything better than the M3 in its class...UNTIL...Alfa.

Thank you prodding me to pursue it further. I am now a convert! Still love the M3 though, just not as much! :-)

[mc3456]

Originally Posted by DS_BMW

I would be interested in the Alfa if the residuals would go up.

They most certainly will, but not until demand/supply normalize...most likely in the Summer, and when more competitive cars come out.

[BoosTonian]

Y'all can hate on the car all you want...it's not gonna make the f80 better

Drove the quad.

1. Yes it's faster
2. Yes it hold power to redline where the f80 drops (stock and when mine had 540whp)
2. Yes it sounds better (below 2500rpm it sounds like f80, but that's where it ends)
3. Yes looks are subjective but the Alfa is more "elegant"...f80 is more aggressive
4. Yes the car puts power to the ground better (and yes my f80 had r compound tires..and had radials at one point)
5. The chassis is more toss-able in the f80
6. Yes the tech is more refined in the f80

[SDPLV]

Originally Posted by BoosTonian

Y'all can hate on the car all you want...it's not gonna make the f80 better

Drove the quad.

1. Yes it's faster
2. Yes it hold power to redline where the f80 drops (stock and when mine had 540whp)
2. Yes it sounds better (below 2500rpm it sounds like f80, but that's where it ends)
3. Yes looks are subjective but the Alfa is more "elegant"...f80 is more aggressive
4. Yes the car puts power to the ground better (and yes my f80 had r compound tires..and had radials at one point)
5. The chassis is more toss-able in the f80
6. Yes the tech is more refined in the f80

Why you repost?

[MCarRacr07]

Originally Posted by mc3456

Still love my M3, but now that it had been de-modded, I'm definitely loving the Quadrafoglio much more. Versus the tuned M3, it was closer then, but the Alfa is definitely better driving and feels much faster...surprisingly so. Did not think that was even possible! As you know, I like to change up cars frequently, and when I started looking for something different, I was bummed out because I couldn't anything better than the M3 in its class...UNTIL...Alfa.

Thank you prodding me to pursue it further. I am now a convert! Still love the M3 though, just not as much! :-)

Hey your preaching to the choir...I think the M cars are amazing...and there was nothing out there that could have made me switch until they starting talking about this...
I still have 2 M's and they will become part of my estate as I will not part with them.

[dkhm3]

Originally Posted by mc3456

The reason the E63s modulates throttle is because it has 590 lb ft of torque! That's not the M3 nor the Alfa's issue. The DCT do bang shifts for "effect". Overall, manual drivers in general are much slower shifting than a good DCT, and even really good Automatics are quicker now.

The ZF in the Quadrafoglio is pretty damn impressive in manual mode. Hard to tell the difference between that in Race mode and the M3 DCT in Sport Plus. BTW...the DCT M2 is barely quicker than the automatic M240.

Also, Check out the discrepency between the DCT and manual 2018 911 GT3 launched today. I know I keep flipping between DCT and Automatic, but the point is, though engaging to drive, manuals are definitely slower overal than both DCTs and the ZF automaticl.

There is a reason F1 cars and most Ferrari, Lamborghini, McLarens, Audis are not sold with regular Manual Transmissions much these days.

Time to just accept the inevitable, Bro!.

Yes, because Ferrari's, Lambo's, McLarens, Porsche's have either Dual Clutches or Single Clutch (Lambos-dct won't fit).

I understand it is the newest and shiniest thing in the market right now. It is perfectly fine to drive a zf auto, but most all supercars have dcts and there's a reason why. I have both zf and dct, there's quite a difference between them in terms of driving feel, even if the shifts are both lightning quick.

That is not to say I don't agree with your other points, exhaust sound of the m3 isn't like an amg or the alfa.

[FirstF80InSpace]

Wonder how the long term reliability of the Alfa pans out.

[BoosTonian]

Originally Posted by SDPLV

Why you repost?

My app is junk. Sorry for posting this so many times. App keeps saying no connection and saying my post wasn't posted when clearly it was lol

[BoosTonian]

Originally Posted by manuelf

Wow. Interessting. But guess what. Manuel Iglisch - motorjournalist of german sportscars magazine (and a very competitive driver if you look at his track times), had a clear victim in the last comparison: M3 Competition. Defeating Giulia QV, AMG C63S and the Cady on pure track times and overall handling... so whom should I trust? You? Well... no

Should you trust the guys at motor trend who say the camaro ss is better then the m4? Lol

Everyone has their own opinions.

CAR has it beating an M3 Comp...so there's that.

Look, I don't think anyone can say anything unless they get behind the wheel of one.

That's like saying Porsche is stupid..drive a gt3 and then say that lol

[mc3456]

Originally Posted by BoosTonian

My app is junk. Sorry for posting this so many times. App keeps saying no connection and saying my post wasn't posted when clearly it was lol

I thought the repost was for dramatic emphasis! Lol

[BoosTonian]

Originally Posted by mc3456

I thought the repost was for dramatic emphasis! Lol

It should be. Haven't stopped thinking about the car, definitely think it's my next one!

[M-Pilot]

Originally Posted by mc3456

You had me until you claimed your ZCP M3 makes over 500hp. No way, no how. Sorry, but people are hoping, wishing, praying that to be true, and if it was, BMW would absolutely market it as such. Both the C63s and Alfa engines stock, are hands down better than the S55. The F80 is an amazing car, but when you drive the Alfa, you'll better understand the difference. It is truly night and day.

The M3 really needs to revamp the engine to stretch out the M3s lifecycle until the new M3 is introduced. That one should be just about the perfect car in my opinion.

There are several threads that show ZCP making over 440whp (440-450whp to be specific) on DynoJet. It can easily equate to 500+ crank hp. As you might know Dinan always reports crank HP for both stock vs Dinan tuned cars on their website. They reported 507HP for stock ZCP (link). If you do a little research you can find many threads with ZCP dyno graphs on the forum.

[mc3456]

Originally Posted by cntzl

There are several threads that show ZCP making over 440whp (440-450whp to be specific) on DynoJet. It can easily equate to 500+ crank hp. As you might know Dinan always reports crank HP for both stock vs Dinan tuned cars on their website. They reported 507HP for stock ZCP (link). If you do a little research you can find many threads with ZCP dyno graphs on the forum.

Sorry, but you're preaching to the wrong choir as I am highly skeptical of all dyno tests and even more skeptical of anything that Dinan touches. Don't get me started on them.

[mc3456]

Originally Posted by Tracus

Will you be honest and come here and post when your Quadrifoglio Spazzatura will die on the highway?

I'm always objective and honest with my commentary. I don't hold biased opinions like you just did. I despise fanboydom and remain critically agnostic about all brands and models. Learn from my example!

[Teutonic]

Just wonder, will some owners be honest and come here and post when the Quadrifoglio Spazzatura will die on the highway?

[Paul-Bracq-BMW]

I think the tone of this thread is starting to be a bit too partisan for me. I love my BMW's but I don't bash the competition because it's different.

In my view Alfa Romeo has a sporting heritage that BMW can only dream of, but most of the people in this forum are not aware of it and don't know car history (and probably are not interested in it).

[Teutonic]

Originally Posted by mc3456

I'm always objective and honest with my commentary. I don't make biased opinions like you just did. I despise fanboydom and remain critically agnostic about all brands and models. Learn from my example!

Owned two Alfa's and I do know cars. No fanboy in here, just very honest ex-owner. Please include in here also a brand new Maserati that took us 3 years and almost a legal battle to force them take it back. BTW, I am fanatic in maintenance and care.
No need to learn from your example, I learned from my experience, no thank you. Back In Europe they call them Gigolo: Cute but unreliable.

Enjoy it, I hope this one is better.
I am waiting for your full honest update.

[mc3456]

Originally Posted by Tracus

Owned two Alfa's and I do know cars. No fanboy in here, just very honest ex-owner. Please include in here also a brand new Maserati that took us 3 years and almost a legal battle to force them take it back. BTW, I am fanatic in maintenance and care.
No need to learn from your example, I learned from my experience, no thank you. Back In Europe they call them Gigolo: Cute but unreliable.

Enjoy it, I hope this one is better.
I am waiting for your full honest update.

My father has owned two Quattroporte and two Ferrari models. The later models of each were actually very reliable, but the new Ghibli is truly crap. Did you actually buy one of those and if so, what were you thinking? 5 mins into 5 test drive and I know it was a real turkey.

The Alfa is miles ahead of it engineering-wise. I'm sure like any first year model, there may be a few hiccups, but BMWs are not exactly known to be uber reliable either, despite the latest J.D. Power initial customer satisfaction survey results. With that said, my 3 BMWs over the years have been rock solid overall. Like you said, maintenance AND early detection awareness are the key to a good ownership experience.

[mc3456]

Originally Posted by Paul-Bracq-BMW

I think the tone of this thread is starting to be a bit too partisan for me. I love my BMW's but I don't bash the competition because it's different.

In my view Alfa Romeo has a sporting heritage that BMW can only dream of, but most of the people in this forum are not aware of it and don't know car history (and probably are not interested in it).

WHAT? You mean those two hack racing drivers: Ferrari and Ascari?

[M-Pilot]

Originally Posted by mc3456

Sorry, but you're preaching to the wrong choir as I am highly skeptical of all dyno tests and even more skeptical of anything that Dinan touches. Don't get me started on them.

Umm ok.

[Paul-Bracq-BMW]

Originally Posted by mc3456

WHAT? You mean those two hack racing drivers: Ferrari and Ascari?

Yeah, that Enzo guy who, as a driver was second (1st in his class) at the famed Targa Florio and then decided to manage a racing team because he thought he was not talented enough as a driver... And that other Alberto guy who only won 2 Formula 1 world championships...

[nathanm4]

Originally Posted by mc3456

No turbo charged engine sounds as great as a good naturally aspirated engine, but the 488 at speed is not terrible, nor is the C63s, and the Alfa in Race Mode actually sounds fantastic, whereas the M3 is just awful. How can you not grasp the comparison. I'm driving both cars everyday, so I think I'm giving you a pretty fair assessment.

M3/M4's exhaust sound is horrible. (BMW engineers )