Tuned down till 1,200

CanAutM3 · 12-14-2014, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by chiplee

Yeah, valid. I'm probably going to buy an extended warranty (instead of paying CA sales tax again) when the time comes, and drive mine for 8 or 9 years. Still, whether it's a covered repair or not, I'd rather not have it in the shop all the time.

IMO the extended warranty will likely be used only for items that are not impacted by the break-in procedure

SapphireSiC · 12-15-2014, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by 1stm3f80

My SA and BMW genius who have me tutorial said the car is tuned down till 1,200 mile service. They where confident. Could this be correct.

Here's a link to a local paper article which puts forth the same theory. Wish there were a reference from BMW cited. Until we hear from BMW itself, the myth will remain. http://thechronicleherald.ca/wheelsn...cle-though-the

gthal · 12-15-2014, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by SapphireSiC

Here's a link to a local paper article which puts forth the same theory. Wish there were a reference from BMW cited. Until we hear from BMW itself, the myth will remain. http://thechronicleherald.ca/wheelsn...cle-though-the

I would put zero credit in this... this is my local newspaper and, well, let's just say I don't know that this should enter the debate

chiplee · 12-15-2014, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by SapphireSiC

Here's a link to a local paper article which puts forth the same theory. Wish there were a reference from BMW cited. Until we hear from BMW itself, the myth will remain. http://thechronicleherald.ca/wheelsn...cle-though-the

We'll see...

gthal · 12-15-2014, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by chiplee

We'll see...

You should clarify to say "a source OTHER than the SA at the dealership"

chiplee · 12-15-2014, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by gthal

You should clarify to say "a source OTHER than the SA at the dealership"

True. Worded that way he may just reply, "Yes I do", lol. If (and it's a big if) I even get a reply, I'll be sure to find out what the source is and we can judge its quality for ourselves.

chiplee · 12-15-2014, 08:03 PM

I suspect this is nothing more than client advisor X hearing service advisor Y say the break in service on the M3/M4 removes restrictions (i.e. launch control) and translating that as engine restrictions.

CanAutM3 · 12-15-2014, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by chiplee

I suspect this is nothing more than client advisor X hearing service advisor Y say the break in service on the M3/M4 removes restrictions (i.e. launch control) and translating that as engine restrictions.

As I posted here, it all comes from E60 M5

gthal · 12-15-2014, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by CanAutM3

As I posted here, it all comes from E60 M5

If this were true, it would be easy to find the data from BMW directly in some way shape or form.

If there was any change, it was impossible to feel. If anything, my car feels slower and slower as I get more and more use to the power delivery

chiplee · 12-15-2014, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by gthal

If there was any change, it was impossible to feel. If anything, my car feels slower and slower as I get more and more use to the power delivery

Even during break in I'm noticing gear selection is key. Not suggesting you don't know that, just commenting. But if you allow the car to select the gear (assuming DCT) it can feel downright doggy unless you romp on it. Typical turbo car really. I love it and can't wait to get it through break in to go see what's really up.

gthal · 12-15-2014, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by chiplee

Even during break in I'm noticing gear selection is key. Not suggesting you don't know that, just commenting. But if you allow the car to select the gear (assuming DCT) it can feel downright doggy unless you romp on it. Typical turbo car really. I love it and can't wait to get it through break in to go see what's really up.

I never, ever, ever drive in auto... like never.

Let's just say that I was respectful of break-in but did experience the thrill of maybe the aggressive end of the car before break-in service was completed. Once I passed the mileage mark, it was pretty much open season for a week or two before the car actually had the service.

I noticed no change on the drive after the service.

djhex36 · 12-15-2014, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by gthal

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Originally Posted by CanAutM3

As I posted here, it all comes from E60 M5

If this were true, it would be easy to find the data from BMW directly in some way shape or form.

If there was any change, it was impossible to feel. If anything, my car feels slower and slower as I get more and more use to the power delivery

Simple solution. Dyno the car pre-service and post-service.

I also never drive in "Auto"

minn19 · 12-17-2014, 01:48 PM

My SA called and said my car was done with its break in service. I told him about this thread and asked what his thoughts on the subject were. According to him it is not a myth and the car is indeed detuned. He said it isn't night and day, but that I should notice a little extra kick.

I obviously don't think this will definitively answer the question as it is just another anecdotal story. Figured I would post what he said any way.

gthal · 12-17-2014, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by minn19

My SA called and said my car was done with its break in service. I told him about this thread and asked what his thoughts on the subject were. According to him it is not a myth and the car is indeed detuned. He said it isn't night and day, but that I should notice a little extra kick.

I obviously don't think this will definitively answer the question as it is just another anecdotal story. Figured I would post what he said any way.

Ask him for some evidence from BMW.

If he believes this it must have come from some official source and he could point to it... otherwise, it's a load of hooey until then IMO. I noticed zero extra "kick". The only extra kick was the ability to rev to red line.

Someone REALLY needs to do a before break-in and after break-in dyno to compare. I am of the view that if this were true, there would be some official comment from BMW somewhere but, as that has never surfaced, it isn't true and is just uniformed SA's.

minn19 · 12-17-2014, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by gthal

Ask him for some evidence from BMW.

If he believes this it must have come from some official source and he could point to it... otherwise, it's a load of hooey until then IMO. I noticed zero extra "kick". The only extra kick was the ability to rev to red line.

Someone REALLY needs to do a before break-in and after break-in dyno to compare. I am of the view that if this were true, there would be some official comment from BMW somewhere but, as that has never surfaced, it isn't true and is just uniformed SA's.

I'm definitely inclined to agree with you and your line of thinking, but who really knows until there is proof one way or the other.

I'll ask him when I pick it up, but something tells me I'll get the deer in the headlights look.

mtecnic · 12-18-2014, 08:21 AM

Following this thread for a while just for the fun of it.

I see this debate similar to how some people doubt the existence of god, or ghosts. Until they see proof, its impossible. Even if "proof" surfaces you will still have naysayers

Disclaimer: By no way am I implying there is proof of god or ghosts.

Andrew115 · 12-18-2014, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by minn19

My SA called and said my car was done with its break in service. I told him about this thread and asked what his thoughts on the subject were. According to him it is not a myth and the car is indeed detuned. He said it isn't night and day, but that I should notice a little extra kick.

I obviously don't think this will definitively answer the question as it is just another anecdotal story. Figured I would post what he said any way.

I would say he is full of BS. It's not night and day it's not noticeable at all. Unless by "detuned" they mean launch control is off.

I noticed absolutely no difference and I am sure many others will confirm the same.

Andrew115 · 12-18-2014, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by mtecnic

Disclaimer: By no way am I implying there is proof of god or ghosts.

You just jinxed yourself.... sleep tight.... Keep telling yourself the boogie man isn't real.

minn19 · 12-18-2014, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Andrew115

I would say he is full of BS. It's not night and day it's not noticeable at all. Unless by "detuned" they mean launch control is off.

I noticed absolutely no difference and I am sure many others will confirm the same.

I didn't really notice anything last night either. I haven't really gotten to play with it much at all either though. I can't really hit the gas that hard or go north of 4500-5000 without it feeling like the the XIce 3s are going to get torn of the rear wheels.

Mortis · 12-18-2014, 07:24 PM

When I brought my M4 for the break-in service today I was told that the car's output is constrained and revs are limited until the service. I'm assuming this has to do with the red-line. I did not really notice any obvious additional power in lower gears post-service though.

Tflong24 · 12-18-2014, 07:49 PM

I am taking mine in for 1200 mile service Saturday. We will see what great answer I get from my SA........

chiplee · 12-18-2014, 08:20 PM

I can see this is not going to be settled without pre and post service dyno sheets. Challenge accepted.

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chiplee Captain 307 Rep 971 Posts Drives: 2015 M3 Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Ridgecrest, CA iTrader: (0)	I suspect this is nothing more than client advisor X hearing service advisor Y say the break in service on the M3/M4 removes restrictions (i.e. launch control) and translating that as engine restrictions.
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minn19 Lieutenant General 14038 Rep 10,080 Posts Drives: 24 Z06, 23 CT4VBW, 22 PFinder Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Minnesota iTrader: (0)	My SA called and said my car was done with its break in service. I told him about this thread and asked what his thoughts on the subject were. According to him it is not a myth and the car is indeed detuned. He said it isn't night and day, but that I should notice a little extra kick. I obviously don't think this will definitively answer the question as it is just another anecdotal story. Figured I would post what he said any way.
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Mortis Second Lieutenant 82 Rep 280 Posts Drives: 2017 M4 Comp Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Arlington VA iTrader: (0)	When I brought my M4 for the break-in service today I was told that the car's output is constrained and revs are limited until the service. I'm assuming this has to do with the red-line. I did not really notice any obvious additional power in lower gears post-service though.
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chiplee Captain 307 Rep 971 Posts Drives: 2015 M3 Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Ridgecrest, CA iTrader: (0)	I can see this is not going to be settled without pre and post service dyno sheets. Challenge accepted.
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