M3/M4 vs. Tesla Model 3 Performance

[BLU135i]

Originally Posted by Andrew@ActiveAutowerke

I did a 3.07 with 1 foot rollout on my 2nd try. its a supercar under 100 mph.

Plus that is easily repeatable. No launch mode garbage, no feathering the gas pedal, just mash and go.

[nicknaz]

Originally Posted by ZCD1

And it performs like a supercar with so little apparent effort... The throttle response makes it laughably easy to pass rolling chicanes before they know it.

The acceleration potential "hero" move in model 3P is 0-100 or 5-100 pulls, while in F80 it is 70 to vmax (or traffic / law enforcement max for us americans)

[SflBimmer8484]

There is one downside that many dont know and thats the loss of power under 75%. Its quite noticeable and even though I charge to the recommended 90% everyday I can easily get to that number in under 25 miles with spirited driving.

[nicknaz]

Originally Posted by Andrew@ActiveAutowerke

There is one downside that many dont know and thats the loss of power under 75%. Its quite noticeable and even though I charge to the recommended 90% everyday I can easily get to that number in under 25 miles with spirited driving.

It was discussed earlier in this thread but got buried.

Here is a link to a dyno chart

I haven't seen any dynos yet for the Porsche Taycan. That will be interesting to see if they are able to maintain power across all SoC. I did find that the EPA rated range of Taycan Turbo is 201 miles

We also had discussed that for hard use and fast highway rolls, the 500+hp gas cars are still better these days, so hopefully you aren't too disappointed, Andrew!

[f80er]

Originally Posted by Andrew@ActiveAutowerke

There is one downside that many dont know and thats the loss of power under 75%. Its quite noticeable and even though I charge to the recommended 90% everyday I can easily get to that number in under 25 miles with spirited driving.

So after 25 miles of spirited driving you lose enough performance to notice? Then have to charge it to gain it back?

[2015F80]

Originally Posted by Andrew@ActiveAutowerke

If you want a model 3 performance but dont care about the red brakes wheels or rear spoiler look into ordering a Model 3 p- . That payment was 660

The model 3 p- as they call it has 18 inch wheels, no spoiler, smaller disc brakes, smaller calipers i think, no spoiler, and no lowered or sport suspension.

But does it accelerate as fast as the model 3 p+?

Here in canada the m3p- is about 7000 can$ less.

Plus we get a 8000$ credit.

The 18 inchers would make the ride more smooth.

Don’t think i would see a difference with the brakes unless i go to a track event which I don’t plan to do.

The spoiler is cosmetic.

Anyone know if the acceleration is the same and if the 18 inch wheels have the ps4 or another kind of tire?

[SflBimmer8484]

Originally Posted by nicknaz

It was discussed earlier in this thread but got buried.

Here is a link to a dyno chart

I haven't seen any dynos yet for the Porsche Taycan. That will be interesting to see if they are able to maintain power across all SoC. I did find that the EPA rated range of Taycan Turbo is 201 miles

We also had discussed that for hard use and fast highway rolls, the 500+hp gas cars are still better these days, so hopefully you aren't too disappointed, Andrew!

It is what it is but, no I'm not disappointed at all actually. The car has enough pros to overcome the one negative. And while it's not the insane top end car I once had it's still got plenty of go over 100. I'm excited to see what's in store next if this is just the beggining.


At lower battery levels 50% and under you won't notice much loss of speed under 60 even though it is just a tad slower on the draggy. After 80-90 or so you can start to feel it taking a little longer to get over 100. Instead of range anxiety I have hp anxiety.

New record run with 20's. - not mine

[ZCD1]

Originally Posted by 2015F80

Anyone know if the acceleration is the same and if the 18 inch wheels have the ps4 or another kind of tire?

Acceleration is the same, except for any difference caused by the lighter wheels/tires with the 18s.

Tires aren't the same - typically still Michelins, but the full P version uses a Tesla-specific Pilot Sport 4S, whereas the "-" version uses an all-season.

[ZCD1]

Originally Posted by Andrew@ActiveAutowerke

...New record run with 20s. - not mine

That trap speed is crazy - where did you run across this?

[SflBimmer8484]

Originally Posted by ZCD1

That trap speed is crazy - where did you run across this?

https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/thre.../#post-4391217

I also found out the Stock 20's are 28lbs !

[doberzus]

11.38's at almost 120mph traps? That seems suspiciously fast. In the attached even the low 11.5s seem to be faster than what most are getting. Kind of hard to believe TBH.

No 1/4 mile tracks here. I need to find a good road to test the 1/4 on.

Although, weighing in at 230lbs and being at 86% SOC I already got low 3.2s w/OUT 1ft rollout on the Dragy. Thinking at 90-95% charge and a lighter driver this thing can break into the 3.0-3.1s with perfect conditions.

[Kief]

Originally Posted by doberzus

11.38's at almost 120mph traps? That seems suspiciously fast. In the attached even the low 11.5s seem to be faster than what most are getting. Kind of hard to believe TBH.

No 1/4 mile tracks here. I need to find a good road to test the 1/4 on.

Although, weighing in at 230lbs and being at 86% SOC I already got low 3.2s w/OUT 1ft rollout on the Dragy. Thinking at 90-95% charge and a lighter driver this thing can break into the 3.0-3.1s with perfect conditions.

Guess you need to drop a few for 2020!!

I keep coming back here despite my reservations about build quality...and it seems like you four nicknaz Andrew@ActiveAutowerke ZCD1
are keeping this Thread alive

Now that tax credit expired, I'm waiting to see if some other incentive materializes.

[JTO24]

Originally Posted by Kief

Guess you need to drop a few for 2020!!

I keep coming back here despite my reservations about build quality...and it seems like you four nicknaz Andrew@ActiveAutowerke ZCD1
are keeping this Thread alive

Now that tax credit expired, I'm waiting to see if some other incentive materializes.

I know Jersey just passed legislation for up to $5000 incentive on EVs and incentives for more places to install DC fast chargers.. there is already no sales tax on EVs in NJ so it's becoming very tempting.

[nicknaz]

Originally Posted by JTO24

I know Jersey just passed legislation for up to $5000 incentive on EVs and incentives for more places to install DC fast chargers.. there is already no sales tax on EVs in NJ so it's becoming very tempting.

Prices were dropped to account for the federal credit going away. People buying now are paying pretty much what I paid (with full incentives and performance pack refund)

I was just looking at the x3m website and it seems like it has active cruise control + lane centering. Does anyone know if it is good enough to be an “autopilot proxy”

[SflBimmer8484]

Originally Posted by Kief

Guess you need to drop a few for 2020!!

I keep coming back here despite my reservations about build quality...and it seems like you four nicknaz Andrew@ActiveAutowerke ZCD1
are keeping this Thread alive

Now that tax credit expired, I'm waiting to see if some other incentive materializes.

Just add it to your long list already

[SflBimmer8484]

Originally Posted by doberzus

11.38's at almost 120mph traps? That seems suspiciously fast. In the attached even the low 11.5s seem to be faster than what most are getting. Kind of hard to believe TBH.

No 1/4 mile tracks here. I need to find a good road to test the 1/4 on.

Although, weighing in at 230lbs and being at 86% SOC I already got low 3.2s w/OUT 1ft rollout on the Dragy. Thinking at 90-95% charge and a lighter driver this thing can break into the 3.0-3.1s with perfect conditions.

I've been following his videos for awhile now. | https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC1Z...sFkZ7Eg/videos | He does a ton of drag and 1/2 mile events. Maybe there was a strong wind to his back or something but that doesn't explain why the other car was so slow either..

http://dragtimes.com/Tesla--Model-3-Drag-Racing.html

[doberzus]

Originally Posted by Andrew@ActiveAutowerke

I've been following his videos for awhile now. | https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC1Z...sFkZ7Eg/videos | He does a ton of drag and 1/2 mile events. Maybe there was a strong wind to his back or something but that doesn't explain why the other car was so slow either..

http://dragtimes.com/Tesla--Model-3-Drag-Racing.html

Oh, it's this guy? Yeah, I follow him too! His car pretty much destroys supercars in the half mile air strip events. Okay, maybe not at the end but 0-130 he beats pretty much anything from a dig.

Was hoping it was someone else You know he's not lying about a tune as you cannot tune these cars. Plus he's on stock 20"s....so does his M3P actually make more power or what? Factory freak? Really curious.

[doberzus]

Originally Posted by nicknaz

Prices were dropped to account for the federal credit going away. People buying now are paying pretty much what I paid (with full incentives and performance pack refund)

I was just looking at the x3m website and it seems like it has active cruise control + lane centering. Does anyone know if it is good enough to be an “autopilot proxy”

I rarely use Autopilot on the Tesla. Hence, I skipped FSD. Have not even tried to use the active cruise on my X3M.

I hate driving the X3M compared to the M3P. I am legitimately thinking of selling/trading it That instant really highlights the low end lag on the S58. It's almost unbearable for me.

[nicknaz]

Originally Posted by doberzus

I rarely use Autopilot on the Tesla. Hence, I skipped FSD. Have not even tried to use the active cruise on my X3M.

I hate driving the X3M compared to the M3P. I am legitimately thinking of selling/trading it That instant really highlights the low end lag on the S58. It's almost unbearable for me.

Makes sense. I'm 90% of the time on AP due to my commuting (40 mile round trip each day) here in the bay area

LMK if you're going to fire sale the x3m.

[Kief]

Originally Posted by doberzus

I hate driving the X3M compared to the M3P. I am legitimately thinking of selling/trading it That instant really highlights the low end lag on the S58. It's almost unbearable for me.

I knew that wouldn't last long!

[SflBimmer8484]

Originally Posted by Kief

I knew that wouldn't last long!

The x3m was my second choice. Sounds like a I made a good decision

[Kief]

Originally Posted by Andrew@ActiveAutowerke

The x3m was my second choice. Sounds like a I made a good decision

The lag with the X3M is a major disappointment IMO, or at least what I experienced during my M Town test drive. Has me concerned about the G80