M3 vs RS3 vs Civic Type R track battle

erind · 07-28-2015, 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by brava09

Sure, conspiracy theory all over this thread

Let's admit it, Honda got some skills at building sports cars....looking forward to the new NSX

ALEX how are you?

ForTehNguyen · 07-28-2015, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by bimmerj

I'll join:
CTR Ring time - 7:50
M4 Ring time - 7:52

ASAP · 07-28-2015, 07:57 AM

The two things that I saw where that;

A- He drifted a lot on that run.
B- He let off at the end.

If you watch him coming up the last straight, the car is so much faster than the others, that he pretty much cruises in to the finish.

As far as the ring times... we'll let's remember the Civic had a partially stripped interior on some very serious rubber.

Miamiboyca · 07-28-2015, 07:58 AM

Its sooo obvious.... Its because the civic was white - everyone knows white cars are faster on the track!!!

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Originally Posted by Blksnowflake

...I don't care if it comes with two porn stars in the back as a no cost option, the damn wrong wheels are working.

The Civic comes with 2 porn stars??? I need to renegotiate my deal...

PodDoc · 07-28-2015, 08:18 AM

I'd like to know how many laps he did in each of the cars to get the times. 2/10 sec isnt much. Turning on traction control alone could have made up that time and more.

But civic type r is undoubtedly fast. Just made for a different demographic.

Topspeed · 07-28-2015, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackJetE90

LOL at all M owners that hate Sutcliffe, ever since his first video vs the W204 C63.

And lets not forget the 5-0 drubbing of the M5 against the GTR. Sutcliffe at his best!

///Pip · 07-28-2015, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by simpelton

Result is null and void. Drivers name is Steve Sutcliffe. Check out his other videos and then perhaps come to a conclusion. May be some of the Evo guys driving or Chris Harris would result in a different conclusion.

As for traction control. Never on a track. Controlling over and under steer is driver dependant on a track, I.e. how smooth a driver is. Ofcourse every car will behave differently driven by the same person in same conditions.

I call for a second opinion.

Steve sold his soul for YouTube views ... sensationalist journalism at it's best ...

Stick to Chris Harris I say ...

TahoeM3 · 07-28-2015, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by ForTehNguyen

I'll join:
CTR Ring time - 7:50
M4 Ring time - 7:52

Also surprising given the estimated straight-line performance...

PERFORMANCE (C/D EST):

Zero to 60 mph: 5.5 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 12.8 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 13.6 sec
Top speed: 167 mph

tallshortguy · 07-28-2015, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by ForTehNguyen

I'll join:
CTR Ring time - 7:50
M4 Ring time - 7:52

lol that was a honda factory team and driver on slicks or cup tires with a non-production model while the M4 was sport auto tested. Come back when sport auto has that civic time.

For comparison, sport auto's tester who is quite a good amateur was about 9 seconds slower spec for spec in a GTR than nissan's factory driver.

MavRick · 07-28-2015, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by tallshortguy

lol that was a honda factory team and driver on slicks or cup tires with a non-production model while the M4 was sport auto tested. Come back when sport auto has that civic time.

For comparison, sport auto's tester who is quite a good amateur was about 9 seconds slower spec for spec in a GTR than nissan's factory driver.

so whats your screen name on ClubLexus?

IEDEI · 07-28-2015, 10:38 AM

not sure why you guys are surprised by this...

the Civic Type R has a faster Nurburgring time than an M4 (M3).....it is a seriously quick and well sorted machine.

Carl L · 07-28-2015, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by gmd2003

Using mdm will 100% make a car slower in the hands of a skilled driver . FYI the Honda Type R is faster at the ring as well which is def a power track . It's a better chassis for track use period . The m3 is a good car but in stock form will lose on track to any car built with a track focus , c7 vette , civic type R , gt350 mustang , 911 , etc. It's not about hp on track it's about the chassis.

Really? Do you have the link for the Sport Auto test? Only time I saw was on slicks w/ Honda factory driver timed by Honda so if that's what you're basing it off. Also, power and chassis make for quick times. None of this is to disparage the Type R, great car, and I'm looking forward to the nsx.

nicknaz · 07-28-2015, 11:32 AM

What tires are on the ctr?

x.shell · 07-28-2015, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Sam@ModeCarbon

who hired this guy... he does not have the talent to remotely get close to the m3's capabilities. disgraceful.

Steve Sutcliffe seems to have a bone to pick with the F80 M3. Every video he's made with it (I've seen 3), is him just being smugly unhappy about it. He seems to purposefully sabotage the review to make the M3 look bad in every video. According to him, the E9X M3 is much better; the Alpina D3 is much better; and now, the Civic is much better.

gmd2003 · 07-28-2015, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Carl L

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Originally Posted by gmd2003

Using mdm will 100% make a car slower in the hands of a skilled driver . FYI the Honda Type R is faster at the ring as well which is def a power track . It's a better chassis for track use period . The m3 is a good car but in stock form will lose on track to any car built with a track focus , c7 vette , civic type R , gt350 mustang , 911 , etc. It's not about hp on track it's about the chassis.

Really? Do you have the link for the Sport Auto test? Only time I saw was on slicks w/ Honda factory driver timed by Honda so if that's what you're basing it off. Also, power and chassis make for quick times. None of this is to disparage the Type R, great car, and I'm looking forward to the nsx.

It ran a 7:50 bone stock with the added weight of safety cage , full interior on street tires not slicks driven by a factory test driver . It has not been tested by sport auto as of yet . My point is given the lack of power it makes its a focused track chassis to do what it does . No real surprise that it beats an M3 on a technical track stock vs stock .

gmd2003 · 07-28-2015, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by nicknaz

What tires are on the ctr?

235 width square extreme summer tires .

Stevens21234 · 07-28-2015, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by gmd2003

It ran a 7:50 bone stock with the added weight of safety cage , full interior on street tires not slicks driven by a factory test driver . It has not been tested by sport auto as of yet . My point is given the lack of power it makes its a focused track chassis to do what it does . No real surprise that it beats an M3 on a technical track stock vs stock .

What do you mean bone stock with added weight? rear seats were removed along with multiple interior elements in that honda

JAC23 · 07-28-2015, 12:40 PM

"Turn everything off...well cause it's a m3" so stupid

gmd2003 · 07-28-2015, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Stevens21234

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Originally Posted by gmd2003

It ran a 7:50 bone stock with the added weight of safety cage , full interior on street tires not slicks driven by a factory test driver . It has not been tested by sport auto as of yet . My point is given the lack of power it makes its a focused track chassis to do what it does . No real surprise that it beats an M3 on a technical track stock vs stock .

What do you mean bone stock with added weight? rear seats were removed along with multiple interior elements in that honda

Your right they removed things to equal the weight of the cage .

tallshortguy · 07-28-2015, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by MavRick

so whats your screen name on ClubLexus?

What? Where did I talk about lexus?

MavRick · 07-28-2015, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by derpimpkar

time to read some clublexus threads and bone up on my denial skills.

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Originally Posted by tallshortguy

What? Where did I talk about lexus?

a joke in reference to the above post. hahahaha

ixse · 07-28-2015, 02:19 PM

Wth is the big deal. I see spec miatas doing better times at my local autox track, then gtr, 400+whp stis.. It is what it is. Also depending on a driver, lap times vary incredibly. Obviously civic r is easier car to drive fast, and w non pro driver at the wheel. Shit happens lol.
This video is bragging rights for highschoolers. For grown ups who actually can afford M, this video is just another youtube journalism

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ASAP Major General 10163 Rep 8,626 Posts Drives: '23 X3 M40i Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: FL iTrader: (0)	The two things that I saw where that; A- He drifted a lot on that run. B- He let off at the end. If you watch him coming up the last straight, the car is so much faster than the others, that he pretty much cruises in to the finish. As far as the ring times... we'll let's remember the Civic had a partially stripped interior on some very serious rubber.
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PodDoc Lieutenant 302 Rep 516 Posts Drives: 2013 F30 335i / 2016 F80 M3 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Lake Forest, IL iTrader: (0)	I'd like to know how many laps he did in each of the cars to get the times. 2/10 sec isnt much. Turning on traction control alone could have made up that time and more. But civic type r is undoubtedly fast. Just made for a different demographic.
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IEDEI Banned 1130 Rep 4,686 Posts Drives: L'Orange Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Brooklyn, NYC iTrader: (0) Garage List 2011 BMW 1M [8.40]	not sure why you guys are surprised by this... the Civic Type R has a faster Nurburgring time than an M4 (M3).....it is a seriously quick and well sorted machine.
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JAC23 Pirate 21 Rep 35 Posts Drives: 2015 F80 MW m3 Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: South Carolina iTrader: (0)	"Turn everything off...well cause it's a m3" so stupid __________________ 2003 e46 CB m3 2015 F80 MW m3
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ixse Major 238 Rep 1,022 Posts Drives: 2015 boxster s Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: CA iTrader: (0)	Wth is the big deal. I see spec miatas doing better times at my local autox track, then gtr, 400+whp stis.. It is what it is. Also depending on a driver, lap times vary incredibly. Obviously civic r is easier car to drive fast, and w non pro driver at the wheel. Shit happens lol. This video is bragging rights for highschoolers. For grown ups who actually can afford M, this video is just another youtube journalism
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