08-29-2013, 02:09 AM | #67 |
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I think putting down someone for wanting an M3/M4 is silly. Because one perfers german enginnering does not make them a brand whore. I know professional race car drivers that would take one over a Corvette any day. I might buy a new C7 when it comes out but it will never be as nice as a Audi, Mercedes, or BMW on the inside because that's not their goal. They are building a raw performance car to appeal to younger buyers.
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08-29-2013, 02:11 AM | #68 |
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I have been driving my E46 M3 SMG for 10 years. I am so used to pulling the stick back for up shift and pushing the stick forward for down shift, I don't want a manual or other dual-clutch transmission with the "wrong" or different stick configuration.
I don't need the 2 back seats, but l want them. I considered the C7. It is a great car. I just like the look of the new M4 more. |
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08-29-2013, 07:31 AM | #69 | |
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I think that right now it is more about the cultural forces at play. By and large, American performance cars are only sold in the US or North America. So, they are not subject to the same diversity in types of consumers that a German or Japanese performance car might see. For now, then, they can still avoid the DCT trends that are developing on a global basis. But the tides in the US will turn soon, and at some point you will see a high enough demand for fast shifts vs. clutched shifts that they are forced to respond. As I said, I think it will happen sometime with the upcoming generation of cars (Corvette C7, Viper, next Camaro, next Mustang, next Challenger, Barracuda, etc.) |
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08-29-2013, 07:53 AM | #70 |
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He wasn't calling the guy a brand whore for preferring the German car, he was calling him that for turning his nose up at those who would consider an American car.
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08-29-2013, 09:39 AM | #71 |
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The C7 has my attention for sure. Configurator went live today and with all the goodies and alcantara/cf I can throw at it, a c7 of my liking comes to 75k
I expect my M4 to be a good bit more expensive since I have full intention of having every single option available. When the time comes to sign the dotted line I will either purchase the M4 and do euro delivery or I will stick with my e92m until I can afford a second hand 991 GT3. (which sounds mighty appealing right now) |
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08-29-2013, 09:44 AM | #72 |
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Haha, and I guess the marketing/accounting folks are right on the money with their offerings for the American cars (and why BMW probably won't release a M car without a MT for a long time)
If you drive an american sports/muscle car you're basically ridiculed if it's not a MT. Just the culture we have here and what most people grew up with and prefer in their performance cars. Of course we feel the same way about BMWs (by 'we' I mean a large portion of american consumers who purchase BMWs). So to your point, the bulk of American consumers probably don't really want anything other than a MT, so what's the point in offering one given they can just slap in a regular auto rather than what I presume to be a more expensive DCT. Random thought, do any American cars still charge more for an auto of a manual? Seems like I saw the mustang auto a bit more than the manual a few years ago. I'll make the assumption that it costs more to build an auto car than a manual one (or is that all marketing?) Seems like I've read someone replacing an auto tranny and BMW wanting like $10k+ for it. |
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But I would like to see the cost of a good DCT vs a 'good' regular auto. I suspect that the DCT costs more, but I could be wrong. |
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I believe this is still the case for all the entries in the "muscle car" segment as well. Quote:
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I think the front of the Vette is great but when you look at the rear it looks like it was designed by committee. Also the interior looks cheap still but I will hold off until I see it in person. That being said the performance seems staggering. I can't wait to drive one. My hope is that it does not feel cheap like the older Vettes. |
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I had this same dilemma just a couple of weeks ago on which to choose (keep the M3 and wait for the M4 or C7 to hit the streets)....I went with a very low mileage (9k miles) 2010 GT-R. Not feeling the rear end of the C7 and not digging the M4 either. |
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08-29-2013, 09:39 PM | #83 | |
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They blindly follow a brand and act like the brand can do no wrong. They many times make up and exaggerate facts about their own brand all while making up false claims about the other brand. They provide questionable, or no, objective data. Every brand has them and they are annoying. BTW, German engineering has really taken a beating the last couple years. American products, like Tesla and the new C7 have shown that American engineering can be amazing, even world class leaders...at a lower price point. |
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08-29-2013, 10:58 PM | #84 | |
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The same problems you see with European enthusiasts, I see with American ones. I think alot Americans have this entitlement issue and think they are always right. But I could careless what another enthusiast likes or dislikes. It's his money and his business not yours. Want to love only the Corvette, Challenger, And Mustang best wishes. |
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Also people like me? I never said the two companies are same so please listen. I stated that Fisker helped Telsa. I think you may need to do some reading. Fisker was contracted to do work designing the Model S. This is because when Musk was draft dodging to avoid military service, Fisker was designing some of first electric cars. There was a falling out, the reason of which I can not disclose. Tesla sued Fisker and in the end Tesla was paying Fisker money. Steve Jobs is the modern day Steve Jobs. Elon Musk is Elon Musk. |
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