Updated US 2016 M3 / M4 Pricing Guide - ZCP Competition Package w/ SOP March 2016

[Porsha]

Originally Posted by SamS

It's real easy to get an $80K M3 these days, even without a Competition Package. The new reality of 2016

Not directed to you, but I'm not sure why this surprises people. When I got my E46 in 2002 people were paying over $60K. And that was 15 years ago.

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by SamS

It's real easy to get an $80K M3 these days, even without a Competition Package. The new reality of 2016

New reality of 2014 lol

[SamS]

Originally Posted by Porsha

Not directed to you, but I'm not sure why this surprises people. When I got my E46 in 2002 people were paying over $60K. And that was 15 years ago.

Oh I'm not surprised at all.. my car stickers at $80K. I just get a kick out of folks who feel like they deserve to buy such a car at <$60K, i.e. Corollas have LED headlights at half the price!!

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by SickFinga

This is just another example of the option code reuse. 490 does not include lumbar support.

Do you have more specifics? Are you saying that, generally speaking, when option code 490 is used in a BMW NA order guide it would correctly indicate that both adjustable seat width and lumbar support are included with that vehicle, but when it comes to the M3/M4 (and perhaps some select other models) this code is really only for adjustable seat width, while lumbar support is only present if 488 is also specified?

[shivaswrath]

Originally Posted by SamS

Oh I'm not surprised at all.. my car stickers at $80K. I just get a kick out of folks who feel like they deserve to buy such a car at <$60K, i.e. Corollas have LED headlights at half the price!!

I totally get it, pricing at this level sort of makes sense if the following were standard:
1. Full leather
2. Adaptive LEDs

The executive and comp package are I think fairly priced for what you get...

If you bear in mind I paid $47k for my 335i 4 years ago (and then added $8-9k in M Performance parts), I can swallow the $71k pill for a gorgeous M3 with those sexy 20" rims

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by SamS

Oh I'm not surprised at all.. my car stickers at $80K. I just get a kick out of folks who feel like they deserve to buy such a car at <$60K, i.e. Corollas have LED headlights at half the price!!

Some people then got the value of a life time because they did indeed pay less than $60K...

[Bluex]

Originally Posted by Naz24

Need to keep them clean. Many owners overlook this.

Although, I do wish I had the silver 437s some days

Agreed, clean 437's look great. Grungy dust covered one's give the car a different look....they just add to the "blacked out" look, but not in a good way.

Clean is the way to go.

[Naz24]

Originally Posted by Bluex

Agreed, clean 437's look great. Grungy dust covered one's give the car a different look....they just add to the "blacked out" look, but not in a good way.

Clean is the way to go.

And we mean using wheel woolies and a good quality cleaner clean... Not car wash clean

M wheels do not belong in a car wash.

[Blksnowflake]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

Do you have more specifics? Are you saying that, generally speaking, when option code 490 is used in a BMW NA order guide it would correctly indicate that both adjustable seat width and lumbar support are included with that vehicle, but when it comes to the M3/M4 (and perhaps some select other models) this code is really only for adjustable seat width, while lumbar support is only present if 488 is also specified?

x2.

Can someone just answer based on the ordering mumbo jumbo if you get lumbar support or not with ZCP seats. Seems like the answer is NO.

I honestly don't care for the ZCP seat or wheels, just the other stuff. I have some lower back issues so lumbar support is extremely helpful on longish drives.
I have a chance to add ZCP to my order which would be delayed three weeks so need to confirm if it's worth it for me.

[SakhirM4]

Originally Posted by Blksnowflake

x2.

Can someone just answer based on the ordering mumbo jumbo if you get lumbar support or not with ZCP seats. Seems like the answer is NO.

I honestly don't care for the ZCP seat or wheels, just the other stuff. I have some lower back issues so lumbar support is extremely helpful on longish drives.
I have a chance to add ZCP to my order which would be delayed three weeks so need to confirm if it's worth it for me.

With the cutouts in the seatback, I can see how they could not fit the lumbar support mechanism, if it doesn't have it.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by SakhirM4

With the cutouts in the seatback, I can see how they could not fit the lumbar support mechanism, if it doesn't have it.

For sure. I guess the question is, is there any sort of more primitive lumbar support there that offers some minimal adjustability, or is it just a static seat back now that, hopefully, is "one size fits all".

In typical BMW fashion, the general mysteriousness of the new seats leaves for some questions. In addition to the lumbar support, there are no pictures in upholstery choices other than black leather. I'd love to see what they look like when covered in Carbonstructure Cloth or Sakhir Leather. Or Golden Brown for that matter.

[verruckt]

Meh, am I the only one not really impressed by this ZCP?

[Blksnowflake]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

For sure. I guess the question is, is there any sort of more primitive lumbar support there that offers some minimal adjustability, or is it just a static seat back now that, hopefully, is "one size fits all".

In typical BMW fashion, the general mysteriousness of the new seats leaves for some questions. In addition to the lumbar support, there are no pictures in upholstery choices other than black leather. I'd love to see what they look like when covered in Carbonstructure Cloth or Sakhir Leather. Or Golden Brown for that matter.

I think I found the answer sort of. In the picture of the seats which shows the controls for adjustment, the circular knob that adjust the lumbar is missing. It's just a flat circle. So to me there's my answer.

The seats look a bit more narrower with upper bolsters looking pretty large but not sure if it's just a visual cue from the design. The lower bolsters look more aggressive as well but not sure if it's just the images because in pictures of the normal seats, they look identical.

I have a chance to change my order but uncomfortable seats are a no-go for me. It was the primary reason I traded my Evo X. Those Recaros were awesome, but like sitting on a bench for longer drives and the lower bolster would dig into my sciatic nerve down my leg. Might just pass on this ZCP and do a Dinan S2 with a suspension and DCT retrofit.

[hemi to e90]

Originally Posted by Blksnowflake

I think I found the answer sort of. In the picture of the seats which shows the controls for adjustment, the circular knob that adjust the lumbar is missing. It's just a flat circle. So to me there's my answer.

The seats look a bit more narrower with upper bolsters looking pretty large but not sure if it's just a visual cue from the design. The lower bolsters look more aggressive as well but not sure if it's just the images because in pictures of the normal seats, they look identical.

I have a chance to change my order but uncomfortable seats are a no-go for me. It was the primary reason I traded my Evo X. Those Recaros were awesome, but like sitting on a bench for longer drives and the lower bolster would dig into my sciatic nerve down my leg. Might just pass on this ZCP and do a Dinan S2 with a suspension and DCT retrofit.

what do you mean by a DCT retrofit?

[Blksnowflake]

Originally Posted by hemi to e90

what do you mean by a DCT retrofit?

I just mean, that I can get the new DCT driving modes from the ZCP programmed.....if possible at some point.

[KevinM]

Originally Posted by firedown31

Nope, rear view camera and park distance control only come with the exec pack. Not available as stand alone options at all.

True (at least until 2018 when the back-up camera will be included by law). But you can do a retrofit: http://www.bimmer-tech.net/shop/bmw-...sist-retrofits

Of course the OEM retrofit costs $1200 + install, so you are not saving a huge amount of money. I see Bimmer-Tech has non-OEM backup cameras for $600 but i haven't looked into the differences.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by Blksnowflake

I think I found the answer sort of. In the picture of the seats which shows the controls for adjustment, the circular knob that adjust the lumbar is missing. It's just a flat circle. So to me there's my answer.

It's funny you posted that, because I meant to check that out after I made that post as well. I agree that the lack of controls there essentially confirms that there is no lumbar adjustability.

You could always swap seats with a non-ZCP owner with low mileage - I'm sure there would be plenty of people willing. However, that would admittedly be a lot of trouble to go through.

Might just pass on this ZCP and do a Dinan S2 with a suspension and DCT retrofit.

Originally Posted by Blksnowflake

I just mean, that I can get the new DCT driving modes from the ZCP programmed.....if possible at some point.

No change to the DCT software. It's just the suspension, engine management, differential, and stability control.

[aajami]

Originally Posted by thisisdave

I'm quite sure the phrase's use originated before that, at the very latest, with the e9X introduction of the ZCP.

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=452960&highlight=m3+civic

Perhaps aajami coined the phrase. Perhaps not.

#themoreyouknow

Ha, yeah. Good to see my 15 minutes lasting for so long.

[SickFinga]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

Do you have more specifics? Are you saying that, generally speaking, when option code 490 is used in a BMW NA order guide it would correctly indicate that both adjustable seat width and lumbar support are included with that vehicle, but when it comes to the M3/M4 (and perhaps some select other models) this code is really only for adjustable seat width, while lumbar support is only present if 488 is also specified?

By code reuse I mean that on some cars code 490 means one thing, but on another a different thing.

So, on F80, F82 and F83 option 490 only includes seat width adjustment. However, on the E90, E92 and E93 it also included the lumbar support.

[cruise_bone]

Originally Posted by verruckt

Meh, am I the only one not really impressed by this ZCP?

Nope.
Me either.

I'm still leaning towards a stripper version for about 65k. No need to spend 80-90 on this car.

[Dr. Who]

Originally Posted by NHman

I am attaching the full PDF version (click to view).

I don't see an option for the 20" rim with the black finish or the option for selecting the 19" rims. Though it could be in the dealers system. With respect to the interior, it appears beige is the only color not available.

Attachment 1349143

Excellent!

Thanks for posting!!

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by SickFinga

By code reuse I mean that on some cars code 490 means one thing, but on another a different thing.

So, on F80, F82 and F83 option 490 only includes seat width adjustment. However, on the E90, E92 and E93 it also included the lumbar support.

Okay, so that's exactly what I figured then. Thanks for clarifying.

Of course, it was always the most likely scenario that the seats didn't have any adjustable lumbar support, but it is well worth looking at the facts and having the conversation.