M3/M4 vs W205 C63 AMG

[M3WC]

Originally Posted by gthal

Not me... the transmission kills it for me. The MCT on the C63 overheated and went into limp mode at the track. It was also no where near as responsive and direct as the M-DCT. Until MB puts a true dual clutch in their cars, they aren't for me... great street cars... no as great track capable cars IMO.

Why they aren't switching to a DCT...I just don't get?

Also read it will have the new Mercedes column shifter. Sounds like a small thing, but that alone would bother me every time I got in the car. I rest my hand on the shifter when I drive the car. I also don't shift with the paddles every single time.

[ybbiz34]

Originally Posted by JetBlack5OC

Why they aren't switching to a DCT...I just don't get?

Also read it will have the new Mercedes column shifter. Sounds like a small thing, but that alone would bother me every time I got in the car. I rest my hand on the shifter when I drive the car. I also don't shift with the paddles every single time.

Mercedes-Benz likes to build their transmissions in-house in Stuttgart.

I suppose they'd be better off contracting them out like BMW M does with the DCT, and the 8-Speed Sport. Auto.

The MCT in the W205 will be an updated one/version. MB AMG does use a true dual-clutch in the CLA45 but all reports indicate that the MCT is a bit better.

The DCT in the SLS Black is quite good, too.

Personally, I find the MCT to be a great transmission, particularly in Comfort mode during daily driving. It's a little less punishing than the M-DCT around town but the most recent version of the M-DCT has definitely improved significantly in this regard.

In Manual mode, the M-DCT is superior to the MCT.

[ybbiz34]

Originally Posted by dustman

Have enjoyed reading this thread for the past 2+ years via daily email update of all the comments.

During this time, I owned an '11 M3 Comp Pkg DCT and grew to love it. Sold last week. I spent a little time in the new M3 and just wasnt in love with it. maybe because I have had too many M3's and want different.

I didnt drive the "LCI" I think you call it, the newer C-AMG. When I got the M3, the C-AMG was still the ham fisted, poorer handling vehicle. Sounds like that was solved.

Looking forward to the new C-AMG as I see a much clearer path for this car to finally best the M3.

When do we get the new Merc?

The W205 C63 debuts in September. The U.S. reveal will follow in September in L.A.

The LCI cars really did receive a major overhaul. The suspension firmed up quite a bit, the steering became one of the car's best attributes, and the cooling hardware was beefed up. Also, the LCI cars benefit from the "Agility Select" rotary knob/selector. You can choose between C, S, S+, M, and RS (Race Start). MB AMG got rid of the flip-up navigation screen and introduced a thicker, flat-top, flat-bottom multifunction steering wheel. There were several other exterior/interior cosmetic improvements.

Furthermore, the LCI C63 also received the MCT transmission. The MCT cars suffer less power loss.

[gthal]

Originally Posted by ybbiz34

Personally, I find the MCT to be a great transmission, particularly in Comfort mode during daily driving. It's a little less punishing than the M-DCT around town but the most recent version of the M-DCT has definitely improved significantly in this regard.

Agreed... the MCT is actually a very good transmission. My only complaints with it are speed and responsiveness of downshifts and overheating at the track. Those two "issues" are significant to me at the track but, for around town, it is a very capable transmission.

[ybbiz34]

Originally Posted by gthal

Agreed... the MCT is actually a very good transmission. My only complaints with it are speed and responsiveness of downshifts and overheating at the track. Those two "issues" are significant to me at the track but, for around town, it is a very capable transmission.

Your complaints are completely, 100% justified.

Do you think tweaking the software alone could improve the transmission substantially? I have the Eurocharged V5 tune for my W204 and I would say that it has sharpened up the responsiveness of the downshifts a bit.

On my most recent M4 test drive, the newest version of the M-DCT left me virtually speechless. I had some trouble with surging and bucking at low speeds in the E92 w/ DCT. This trait was basically non-existent on the F82.

[ss134]

Originally Posted by ybbiz34

Your complaints are completely, 100% justified.

Do you think tweaking the software alone could improve the transmission substantially? I have the Eurocharged V5 tune for my W204 and I would say that it has sharpened up the responsiveness of the downshifts a bit.

On my most recent M4 test drive, the newest version of the M-DCT left me virtually speechless. I had some trouble with surging and bucking at low speeds in the E92 w/ DCT. This trait was basically non-existent on the F82.

How did the M4 feel acceleration wise compared to your tuned C63?

[Never Convicted]

Originally Posted by ss134

How did the M4 feel acceleration wise compared to your tuned C63?

He posted a very complete review of it here:

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1008143

[M3WC]

Originally Posted by ybbiz34

On my most recent M4 test drive, the newest version of the M-DCT left me virtually speechless. I had some trouble with surging and bucking at low speeds in the E92 w/ DCT. This trait was basically non-existent on the F82.

I am weird, I like the bucking and surging. Makes it not feel like a traditional automatic and more like a manual gearbox. I still miss the SMG quirkiness, that almost everyone hated. The rougher and more aggressive the transmission feels, the more I like it.

[ss134]

Originally Posted by Never Convicted

He posted a very complete review of it here:

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1008143

I read it and its a great review- but he doesn't compare the cars acceleration directly with his tuned C63 and that was my question!

[Never Convicted]

Originally Posted by ss134

I read it and its a great review- but he doesn't compare the cars acceleration directly with his tuned C63 and that was my question!

Sorry, I misunderstood. Didn't know you had seen it.

But I thought when he said "I can't believe I'm driving this barge of a C63 when all I want is an M4 land rocket" it summed up his feelings pretty well.

...or maybe that's just how I interpreted it.

[ss134]

Originally Posted by Never Convicted

Sorry, I misunderstood. Didn't know you had seen it.

But I thought when he said "I can't believe I'm driving this barge of a C63 when all I want is an M4 land rocket" it summed up his feelings pretty well.

...or maybe that's just how I interpreted it.

Just interested on his thoughts in outright acceleration as I can't believe for one minute that this car is or feels as fast as a 540 hp C63.
I await his reponse !!

[ybbiz34]

Originally Posted by ss134

How did the M4 feel acceleration wise compared to your tuned C63?

The M4 felt like it had a bit more bite off the line because of how much torque is available down low. The sharp/instantaneous throttle response and the quick-shifting DCT also helped the M4 feel impressive from a dig.

However, once the revs started to climb, my tuned C63 clearly felt like it pulled harder (especially from 5,500 rpm and beyond).

Originally Posted by JetBlack5OC

I am weird, I like the bucking and surging. Makes it not feel like a traditional automatic and more like a manual gearbox. I still miss the SMG quirkiness, that almost everyone hated. The rougher and more aggressive the transmission feels, the more I like it.

I can deal with it too. It's passengers I feel bad for. Kind of.

Originally Posted by Never Convicted

But I thought when he said "I can't believe I'm driving this barge of a C63 when all I want is an M4 land rocket" it summed up his feelings pretty well.

...or maybe that's just how I interpreted it.

[Lups]

Originally Posted by ybbiz34

I can deal with it too. It's passengers I feel bad for. Kind of.

Guys, pick your passengers with care.

This goes to all of you, choose with wisely, or stfu and ride shotgun.

[ybbiz34]

W205 C63 Exterior Production Leaked?

I'm liking that diffuser.

[Lups]

Originally Posted by ybbiz34

W205 C63 Exterior Production Leaked?

I'm liking that diffuser.

There is something wrong with the lines, it looks like it has constipation issues.

[JTO24]

hmm are you sure it's not a render? The seat headrests look awfully pedestrian for AMG lol

[ybbiz34]

Originally Posted by JTO24

hmm are you sure it's not a render? The seat headrests look awfully pedestrian for AMG lol

It probably is.

Regarding the seats, the new W205 C63 will come standard with seats similar to those found in the current W212 E63 and E63-S.

These will be the optional Recaro seats for the W205 C63:

[JTO24]

Originally Posted by ybbiz34

It probably is.

Regarding the seats, the new W205 C63 will come standard with seats similar to those found in the current W212 E63 and E63-S.

These will be the optional Recaro seats for the W205 C63:

Sweet! Those are from the CLA, right? They look good.

[n14ssv]

Originally Posted by agentm

MB NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!

[The Automotive Enthusiast]

I'm optioning the Recaro's in mine.

[SteveSpy]

Originally Posted by hwelvaar

You Americans have the luck not having to worry about engine displacement.

Not true: we have the gas guzzler tax, a whole whopping $1,700 for V8 and up.

[M3WC]

Originally Posted by sspyrops

Not true: we have the gas guzzler tax, a whole whopping $1,700 for V8 and up.

It has nothing to do with number cylinders. It is based of mpg.

V8 does not equal gas guzzler tax. Case in point, the new C7 Corvette.

Also E63 doesn't have gas guzzler, while the M5 does.