Drivetribe: BMW M3 ZCP vs Giulia QV vs C63 S Multi-Part Comparison

cbertels · 07-19-2017, 02:26 PM

When are they doing to review the tow truck the Alfa arrives and/or departs on?

M4 GTS · 07-19-2017, 02:49 PM

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When are they doing to review the tow truck the Alfa arrives and/or departs on?

You beat me to it!

bonsai · 07-19-2017, 03:03 PM

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very informative review. pleased with the result.

interesting with the initial hate on the f8x chassis it has withstood the test of time and critics.

A predictive, consistent, mesh between engine, suspension, and dct. Not perfect, but clearly more capable than my abilities to drive it.

I know I'm having a blast with mine, 3 years 26k miles later, still the car I loved since day 1.

Well said.

Here here

tallshortguy · 07-19-2017, 03:15 PM

It's clear the F8X chassis is superior to it's equivalent competitors. With all the hoopla behind the "Ferrari" derived V6 making 60 more horsepower than the ZCP, the QV is still noticeably slower on the track according to pistonheads and Drivetribe.

MCarRacr07 · 07-19-2017, 03:33 PM

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It's clear the F8X chassis is superior to it's equivalent competitors. With all the hoopla behind the "Ferrari" derived V6 making 60 more horsepower than the ZCP, the QV is still noticeably slower on the track according to pistonheads and Drivetribe.

what would you say is the explanation on the last sector for the big time difference when in the prior sectors the Quad & ZCP M3 were much much closer??

cbertels · 07-19-2017, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by tallshortguy

It's clear the F8X chassis is superior to it's equivalent competitors. With all the hoopla behind the "Ferrari" derived V6 making 60 more horsepower than the ZCP, the QV is still noticeably slower on the track according to pistonheads and Drivetribe.

what would you say is the explanation on the last sector for the big time difference when in the prior sectors the Quad & ZCP M3 were much much closer??

The tow truck lacks the cornering agility of the M3.

MCarRacr07 · 07-19-2017, 04:05 PM

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The tow truck lacks the cornering agility of the M3.

...thanks for the useless response. maybe someone more intelligent here can offer up an explanation???

...up until that last sector..the times & speeds were very close to one another....to have a 2 second drop off is just odd

IS3andME · 07-19-2017, 04:07 PM

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As i always say F8x competitors are only good in a straight line, the F8x shines on the track where it demolishes everything in its class. Alfa comes comes close to the M3 but it has reliability issues, the Mercedes is tank heavy with a shit transmission, B9 RS5 is good but lacks the Tracking ability.

So what about the ATS-V?

cbertels · 07-19-2017, 04:13 PM

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The tow truck lacks the cornering agility of the M3.

...thanks for the useless response. maybe someone more intelligent here can offer up an explanation???

...up until that last sector..the times & speeds were very close to one another....to have a 2 second drop off is just odd

It's slower because it's shit. Nearly every test car has broken. This one probably did too. Electrical issues could have cut timing/power, brake fade lowering average corning speeds, etc. It's will all be speculation since the car can't complete a lap without shitting the bed.

The dummy is anyone still giving the Alfa a second look. But sure, I'm the unintelligent one.

MCarRacr07 · 07-19-2017, 04:37 PM

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It's slower because it's shit. Nearly every test car has broken. This one probably did too. Electrical issues could have cut timing/power, brake fade lowering average corning speeds, etc. It's will all be speculation since the car can't complete a lap without shitting the bed.

The dummy is anyone still giving the Alfa a second look. But sure, I'm the unintelligent one.

the driver didn't mention anything shutting down or any lack of response and in his post lap comments he seemed to be very thorough in his analysis of each of the cars...from braking, shifting points, transmissions, chassis feel etc...
and as far as you being unintelligent...wouldn't know...but the comment offered little.
have a good one

cbertels · 07-19-2017, 04:55 PM

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It's slower because it's shit. Nearly every test car has broken. This one probably did too. Electrical issues could have cut timing/power, brake fade lowering average corning speeds, etc. It's will all be speculation since the car can't complete a lap without shitting the bed.

The dummy is anyone still giving the Alfa a second look. But sure, I'm the unintelligent one.

the driver didn't mention anything shutting down or any lack of response and in his post lap comments he seemed to be very thorough in his analysis of each of the cars...from braking, shifting points, transmissions, chassis feel etc...
and as far as you being unintelligent...wouldn't know...but the comment offered little.
have a good one

Unless I'm mistaken you own(d) one. Shouldn't you be able to answer your own question?

996ttelise · 07-19-2017, 05:25 PM

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what would you say is the explanation on the last sector for the big time difference when in the prior sectors the Quad & ZCP M3 were much much closer??

If one is on R compounds and other is not, they are not close in any sector if both are on streets.

MCarRacr07 · 07-19-2017, 06:18 PM

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Unless I'm mistaken you own(d) one. Shouldn't you be able to answer your own question?

actually I've owned both

and I was not driving the cars in the comparison..and for me I just found it odd...not that the ZCP did what it did...but all through the sectors they were close until the final one where there was a huge gap...was it the track layout at that point?? where the ZCP was able to hustle around much quicker??

are we going to go back and forth here...like little kids/fanboys??

MCarRacr07 · 07-19-2017, 06:21 PM

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If one is on R compounds and other is not, they are not close in any sector if both are on streets.

so then it would be interesting to put both cars on the Pirelli and then both on Michelin ....I know that the Michelin come in the OEM size for the Alfa..not sure if Corsas come in the M3 sizes.

StephGOD · 07-19-2017, 08:56 PM

Some very interesting lap times...

Chicken_Joe · 07-19-2017, 10:47 PM

Tbh, money for power you would have to be dense not to buy the Alfa. I think it's a prettier, better sounding and overall faster car. Reliability remains a factor still as they are new but so far the F80 can't hang with it. I really try to like the F80 but I think the engine really did it in on this. It's like a hybrid S54 and N54 sound which to me is not a fantastic sound at all.

adc · 07-19-2017, 10:50 PM

I find it interesting, he's talking about which car is more fun to drive. But for me the most fun is the one with a stick shift. Just cannot fall in love with any of the automatics...

If that were different it would be foolish not to consider the other two cars. As is, no interest.

Spoolin Montego · 07-19-2017, 11:12 PM

It's always funny to watch these things. I have an F80 and the c63s and I completely disagree. I think the M is much easier to drive and feels more sure footed. I prefer the M much over the AMG

PawnStar · 07-19-2017, 11:36 PM

This test is useless without disclosing what tires and condition of the tires the test cars were running. Anyone know?

brad850csi · 07-20-2017, 02:16 AM

The Alfa is on PZero Corsa - you can see this at 4:47. I assume the C63s and M3 are both on PSS or maybe Contis

brad850csi · 07-20-2017, 02:21 AM

At 8:30 to 8:35 you can see the M3 is on Michelin Super Sports

DS_BMW · 07-20-2017, 02:29 AM

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This test is useless without disclosing what tires and condition of the tires the test cars were running. Anyone know?

I would think they would be running stock factory tires.

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tallshortguy First Lieutenant 64 Rep 386 Posts Drives: F30 328i Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: US iTrader: (0)	It's clear the F8X chassis is superior to it's equivalent competitors. With all the hoopla behind the "Ferrari" derived V6 making 60 more horsepower than the ZCP, the QV is still noticeably slower on the track according to pistonheads and Drivetribe.
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Chicken_Joe Lieutenant Colonel 606 Rep 1,782 Posts Drives: 2013 F30 335i M Sport. EB 6M Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: Frontenac, Missouri iTrader: (3)	Tbh, money for power you would have to be dense not to buy the Alfa. I think it's a prettier, better sounding and overall faster car. Reliability remains a factor still as they are new but so far the F80 can't hang with it. I really try to like the F80 but I think the engine really did it in on this. It's like a hybrid S54 and N54 sound which to me is not a fantastic sound at all. __________________ 13' 335i M Sport. EBII/Coral Red 6MT. RPI GT exhaust, Resonator delete, PS1, GFB DV , BM3 Stage 2, ER CP, VRSF DP, VRSF 5.5in Stepped FMIC, Dinan Shockware. Carbon M Performance rear diffuser. M4 trunk lip. Conti DWS06 225/40/19 and 255/35/19
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adc Major General 2750 Rep 6,759 Posts Drives: 2018 F80 M3 ED Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: MD/DC iTrader: (12)	I find it interesting, he's talking about which car is more fun to drive. But for me the most fun is the one with a stick shift. Just cannot fall in love with any of the automatics... If that were different it would be foolish not to consider the other two cars. As is, no interest. __________________ 2018 F80 Santorini 2019 Z4 3.0i 2022 X2 M35i
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Spoolin Montego Captain 601 Rep 871 Posts Drives: 16 m3/20 x5m/23 m3 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Orange County iTrader: (1)	It's always funny to watch these things. I have an F80 and the c63s and I completely disagree. I think the M is much easier to drive and feels more sure footed. I prefer the M much over the AMG
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PawnStar First Lieutenant 215 Rep 386 Posts Drives: twin turbo 6 with frunk Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: 131'n 56'w iTrader: (0)	This test is useless without disclosing what tires and condition of the tires the test cars were running. Anyone know?
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brad850csi Colonel 1316 Rep 2,349 Posts Drives: 16 F13 M6 Comp Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Auckland, New Zealand iTrader: (0)	The Alfa is on PZero Corsa - you can see this at 4:47. I assume the C63s and M3 are both on PSS or maybe Contis
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brad850csi Colonel 1316 Rep 2,349 Posts Drives: 16 F13 M6 Comp Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Auckland, New Zealand iTrader: (0)	At 8:30 to 8:35 you can see the M3 is on Michelin Super Sports
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