Is anybody here considering the '15 AMG C-63 ?

[basscadet]

The Mercedes interior is clearly nicer than the BMWs and the motor is obviously a big step ahead of the BMW's. While a handsome car, the W205 C63 just can't compete with the athletic wide-haunches of the F80 M3 in terms of styling. And it's not just for looks, I really question how wide the wheels/rubber can get on the back of the AMG car.

I believe I read somewhere on MB forums that the rear tire size on the C63 was going to be 255? Surely this is a joke...I think that's what I had on my '94 RX-7.

[irablumberg]

Originally Posted by basscadet

The Mercedes interior is clearly nicer than the BMWs and the motor is obviously a big step ahead of the BMW's. While a handsome car, the W205 C63 just can't compete with the athletic wide-haunches of the F80 M3 in terms of styling. And it's not just for looks, I really question how wide the wheels/rubber can get on the back of the AMG car.

I believe I read somewhere on MB forums that the rear tire size on the C63 was going to be 255? Surely this is a joke...I think that's what I had on my '94 RX-7.

I think the rear tires will be 265. The tires on the W204 C63 are 255 and they are indeed a joke. I believe I can get my C63 to do a complete 360 doughnut with full stability control engaged. Given our experiences with the M3/4 and 275 rear tires, I don't see how the W205 will have any hope of reasonable traction with narrower tires and more torque. Time will tell.

[bimmerj]

Originally Posted by basscadet

The Mercedes interior is clearly nicer than the BMWs and the motor is obviously a big step ahead of the BMW's. While a handsome car, the W205 C63 just can't compete with the athletic wide-haunches of the F80 M3 in terms of styling. And it's not just for looks, I really question how wide the wheels/rubber can get on the back of the AMG car.

I believe I read somewhere on MB forums that the rear tire size on the C63 was going to be 255? Surely this is a joke...I think that's what I had on my '94 RX-7.

The way you put it, one might have the impression that the M3/M4 is at 305/315/325.

[nicknaz]

I love the AMG sound but don't like how the automatic gearboxes are programmed (I'm expecting C63 to be similar to latest E63)

[Bowser330]

I expect we'll see magazine comparison tests soon enough, m3 vs Atsv vs c63, should be interesting...

[DieGrüneHölle]

Originally Posted by Bowser330

I expect we'll see magazine comparison tests soon enough, m3 vs Atsv vs c63, should be interesting...

Sometime early next year, maybe spring.

[NorCal f80]

I'm a two door guy but if I wanted a 4 door I would probably choose the 2015 C63 over an M3.

[SYT_Shadow]

Originally Posted by ybbiz34

No worries my friend. The LCI/facelift models started to roll out in late 2011 in Europe. North America did not receive LCI C63s with the MCT until '12.

Unlike BMW, Mercedes gets very aggressive with its facelifts. The LCI C63 got quite a few major improvements, including the MCT and an entirely revamped suspensions.

Another example is the current W212 E-Class. Most think that the current E63 S 4MATIC is an entirely new E-Class (similar to the F10 M5). In reality, the W212 E-Class is nearing the end of its production run.

That aggressiveness with their LCIs probably has to do with their cars not being competitive with M models in their first iteration.

To put it another way, the % of parts BMW changes for M cars is the highest of anyone else. I think they test and retest to ensure they have a car that from Day 1 is the best.

Later on they add the ZCP which is basically aesthetics only

Before someone quotes the +4 seconds the LCI C63 got on the ring vs the E9X, please remember the only Ring time we have to the E92 is a manual, non dct, non updated software car. Subsequent cars were significantly faster

[ybbiz34]

Originally Posted by basscadet

The Mercedes interior is clearly nicer than the BMWs and the motor is obviously a big step ahead of the BMW's. While a handsome car, the W205 C63 just can't compete with the athletic wide-haunches of the F80 M3 in terms of styling. And it's not just for looks, I really question how wide the wheels/rubber can get on the back of the AMG car.

I believe I read somewhere on MB forums that the rear tire size on the C63 was going to be 255? Surely this is a joke...I think that's what I had on my '94 RX-7.

265s in the rear are standard on the W205. 245s up front. While width is important, the compound one uses is equally, if not more, important. When I roll on the throttle, I have little to no traction issues with my tuned W204. The linear power delivery helps when you're trying to drive the car tidily.

For those that want to track their cars, putting Cup tires on the car (or drag radials at the strip) makes a tremendous amount of difference.

Originally Posted by bimmerj

The way you put it, one might have the impression that the M3/M4 is at 305/315/325.

+1. The new M3/M4 has its fair share of traction issues. On every test drive I've been on, I've been able to light up the ESP with ease (even utilizing MDM). I quite enjoy that trait though.

Originally Posted by SYT_Shadow

That aggressiveness with their LCIs probably has to do with their cars not being competitive with M models in their first iteration.

To put it another way, the % of parts BMW changes for M cars is the highest of anyone else. I think they test and retest to ensure they have a car that from Day 1 is the best.

Later on they add the ZCP which is basically aesthetics only

Before someone quotes the +4 seconds the LCI C63 got on the ring vs the E9X, please remember the only Ring time we have to the E92 is a manual, non dct, non updated software car. Subsequent cars were significantly faster

That's an interesting way to look at the situation but the fact is that Mercedes-Benz has always performed drastic changes during life cycle impulses (even with their standard, non-AMG models).

Also, I wouldn't say that the E9X and W204 weren't competitive at launch. Motor-wise, the 2008 C63 was certainly competitive right off the bat. It also had staggeringly better brakes (6-piston fixed front calipers and 4-piston fixed rear calipers) than the '08 E9X M3.

The M3 had, and still has, a better transmission. The LCI C63 made quite a bit of headway when it received an entirely revamped suspension in '12. The MCT transmission was also a step in the right direction. I guess I would rather a manufacturer strive to make as many improvements as possible than to sit idly by.

It's exciting to see that the F8X M3 and M4 finally got proper brakes as standard. Prior braking setups have been serviceable but they were nowhere close to setups that are available on the F8X.

Overall, since 2012, AMG has been focusing on overall driving dynamics (while still retaining the V8 motors and power advantages they are known for).

That has been the mission of Tobias Moers. The new AMG GT is a stellar example of the progress AMG has made in recent years.

Every reviewer that has driven either the GT or GT S has gushed about the car. Chris Harris adores it.

Most have said it deserves to be mentioned in the same breath as the 911. One reviewer said that he thought the steering feel was better than any car in the Porsche lineup. That's no small compliment. While the SLS AMG Black Series was a high-performance GT car, the GT is closer to a true sports car.

The new W205 C63 shares its motor with the GT (minus dry sump lubrication). The cars will also share carbon fiber driveshafts and an electronically controlled differential (standard on the C63 S; the "normal" C63 gets a mechanical LSD as standard).

I have been very impressed with the F8X thus far but I am curious to see how the W205 C63/C63 S will stack up. I'm also intrigued by the new ATS-V. The standard ATS has a phenomenal chassis. Great steering, too. The ATS' chassis felt infinitely sportier than the chassis on my F30 M Sport 335i (which felt floaty, skittish, and easy to upset). The motor and transmission, however, were not in the same league. The combination of the N55 and the ZF 8-speed "Sport Auto" is hard to beat.

[ybbiz34]

W205 C63 and C63 S Ordering Guide:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/nv8hv4oh5h...dec14.pdf?dl=0

[damnitBobby]

Nice find ybbiz.

Mercedes options are much nicer than BMW's. You can get the HUD as a standalone. In general the C63 seems to come standard with more stuff compared to the M3/4.

Choosing the "S" variant is a must in my opinion.

The carbon ceramics look incredible. Those behind the 5 spoke wheels that are standard on the "S"

[ixse]

Wow luvin the hud on the amg. Wonder how much more the S version is... Probably like 8k

[ybbiz34]

Originally Posted by damnitBobby

Nice find ybbiz.

Mercedes options are much nicer than BMW's. You can get the HUD as a standalone. In general the C63 seems to come standard with more stuff compared to the M3/4.

Choosing the "S" variant is a must in my opinion.

The carbon ceramics look incredible. Those behind the 5 spoke wheels that are standard on the "S"

My pleasure. My worst mistake ever was finding this ordering guide. Until then, I was quite content with my W204.

Originally Posted by ixse

Wow luvin the hud on the amg. Wonder how much more the S version is... Probably like 8k

The options list is even more impressive than I anticipated.

The price differential should be similar to the differential between the standard W204 and the 507/PP W204.

[bimmerj]

It is the S for me.

[S65V8]

Like the stats, price, and what it comes with for similar pricing. However, exterior styling isn't doing it for me, kind of too rounded and soft (sort of old school infiniti like). Plus, no MT...and what is this MCT non-sense? Throw in the MB's DCT for sh*t sake.

[auf Deutsch]

265 rears. Seriously? 516 lb-ft at 1750. Are they going to use R compound?

[dreamsongs]

I love the interior of the Benz, the materials and layout is much more pleasing than the F8x. But....I'm not in love with the exterior look, at least the 4 door. Maybe the 2 door will look better but I agree that it looks a bit Infinitish to me.....

I wish they would've been a bit more bold with the styling, just don't like the lines that much compared with the Bimmer....

[nasdaq100]

For my part, the only moment I'm in a C class, it's when I'm in a taxi...

[bimmerj]

Originally Posted by nasdaq100

For my part, the only moment I'm in a C class, it's when I'm in a taxi...

On the up side. Now you will be in a faster cab, with a nicer interior than your car .

[SocalBM]

2 color options and one is brown....WTF is wrong with auto makers?

[Bluex]

Where is the W05 C63 being built? From what a local dealer just told me:

“The new MY15 C-sedan are all being built in Alabama with no US spec cars being built outside of the United States.”

I suppose that means no European Delivery?

****edit****

Disregard. Search is my friend. Looking at the previously posted Dealer Ordering Guide, it gives me the info I need.

[ixse]

Originally Posted by bimmerj

On the up side. Now you will be in a faster cab, with a nicer interior than your car .

Lol well said