Anyone else get banned from the G8X section for making fun of its looks?

[jpy1980]

Originally Posted by secretanchitman

I can only imagine which one you're talking about!

Which one?! I’m not hip to the times. I wanna know!

[///M4ster Yoda]

Originally Posted by MFNATIK

Is it really? That's kinda ironic if it's dead bc maybe they banned too many of us hahah. I dunno if I'm still banned but I was able to look at one of the threads that had the Chris Harris video. But at this point, I've lost interest in posting my thoughts on the G8X. The biggest irony of cancel culture is once you remove opposing ideas and opinions, you're just left with an echo chamber. Without civil discourse things just stop being interesting and people just move along. In effect, the BP mods may have squashed all the hype and mojo out of the launch, whether for better or worse.

I think there is more disgust then hype for this launch but that's just me

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by jpy1980

Which one?! I'm not hip to the times. I wanna know!

The F97 X3M forum and some particular members of it... not sure if secretanchitman was thinking the same, but that forum is very annoying.

[Mavus]

Originally Posted by MFNATIK

Is it really? That's kinda ironic if it's dead bc maybe they banned too many of us hahah. I dunno if I'm still banned but I was able to look at one of the threads that had the Chris Harris video. But at this point, I've lost interest in posting my thoughts on the G8X. The biggest irony of cancel culture is once you remove opposing ideas and opinions, you're just left with an echo chamber. Without civil discourse things just stop being interesting and people just move along. In effect, the BP mods may have squashed all the hype and mojo out of the launch, whether for better or worse.

yeah there are 3-4 new treads but have 5-6 responses ... sedan clan is all alone but most knowledgable folks are gone ... think they created a vacum

one guy is asking how many folks would buy a modified bumper with the bar acroos the middle and most responses are we don't want to mod major panels ... I'm like what's a big deal to swap a bumper

we had perf bumpers and panels made by bmw in the past and even m2c had cfrp hood, trunk, fenders available

sooo it seems enthusiasts and moders are not their target audience ... hope they enjoy their new customers

[MFNATIK]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

It has indeed very little activity. I still keep going there looking interesting new discussions, but nada. I remember the F8X forum was buzzing with activity from the release on with all kinds of good discussions, speculations, technical insights, etc...

Oh yeah, I was so excited for the F80 bc I skipped the E90 M3 for an E60 M5 (who could resist that 500hp V10) and upon reading all the F80 launch info and watching the press videos, I listed my M5 for sale and started planning for ED. There was so much excitement bc Albert Biermann was doing pressors talking about how his team emobodied the spirit of the E30 M3 while engineering the F80. It was the first time in M3 history the car had gone on a diet and the chasis was stiffer than prior M3 race cars. It's also the first time an M3 got competent track ready brakes good for 25 laps on Nurburgring (100 laps for CCBs). Super overkill for a family sedan but hell yeah why the freak not?! You always want the most bang for your money and Biermann delivered! I remember so many of us lining up for allocations too.

Now I think most of us are all pretty disturbed by the change in design direction and engineering philosophy that we wonder if this is the same company that produced our beloved F80s.

BTW, I am still banned lol

[///M4ster Yoda]

Originally Posted by MFNATIK

Oh yeah, I was so excited for the F80 bc I skipped the E90 M3 for an E60 M5 (who could resist that 500hp V10) and upon reading all the F80 launch info and watching the press videos, I listed my M5 for sale and started planning for ED. There was so much excitement bc Albert Biermann was doing pressors talking about how his team emobodied the spirit of the E30 M3 while engineering the F80. It was the first time in M3 history the car had gone on a diet and the chasis was stiffer than prior M3 race cars. It's also the first time an M3 got competent track ready brakes good for 25 laps on Nurburgring (100 laps for CCBs). Super overkill for a family sedan but hell yeah why the freak not?! You always want the most bang for your money and Biermann delivered! I remember so many of us lining up for allocations too.

Now I think most of us are all pretty disturbed by the change in design direction and engineering philosophy that we wonder if this is the same company that produced our beloved F80s.

BTW, I am still banned lol

I think it's banned for "life". Seems very childish to me.

What's stopping us from creating another account and going over to the bugs bunny threads? I hate pretty much everything about the car except the seats so I guess there is really no point in going there anymore.

Been contemplating joining rennlist so I can read up and ask some questions.

[bimmer pleaser V2]

Originally Posted by 9M71

first they get rid of the politics section then they start banning in the buck tooth section. smh

they were right about politics IMO. I used to post in Politics but realized how toxic it was and stopped going there altogether. A few weeks later they shut that craphole down.

But regarding people bitching about the look of new gen M3/4, I think banning is over the top though I understand that at some point whiners get exhaustive. I guess that's just a safe space for people who like the new look.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by ///M4ster Yoda

Been contemplating joining rennlist so I can read up and ask some questions.

Already done for me

[Arcades]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Already done for me

Honestly, Rennlist is about as brutal when it comes to their opinions and honesty.

I do see Larry Cable there, though I am not surprised as well as a few others that username I recognize.

P.S. I see on the Supra forms about them disliking the G8x too.

[doug_999]

Originally Posted by GrussGott

None of those are pros of financing:

(1.) Ownership.
Well first, whether you finance or lease, the financier owns the car so the real question is who owns the risk? With financing it's you, with leasing it's the financier. Leasing is a sole-right-of-use for a single lease payment meaning with no risk of de-value/depreciation, *but with* the SOLE RIGHT OF USE & PURCHASE. Lessees can choose to buy-out their lease at any time (and when the used market is strong many do ... like the X5 market right now where lessees are buying out and selling on the used car market).

(2.) Mods.
Because of #1, the lessee can buy out at any time and sell the car. The only reason a lessee wouldn't want to buy-out is either to save time or because the lease is underwater for the lessor - that is, the lessee almost always wins* (i.e., you can lease-mod-buy-sell if don't want to pull the mods)

(3.) Cheaper financing.
Again, because of #1, leasing has full optionality vs. financing which doesn't - meaning the lessee is negotiating the sale price of their used car 3 years in advance (residual). *If the car devalues due to accident, or the market drops, the lessee wins. If the market strengthens the lessee can buy out and sell on the open market so the lessee wins again. If a cheaper loan rate comes by the lessee can buyout and finance, the lessee wins again.

....

This is why it's almost always smarter to lease a BMW than finance or buy except in the case of PHEV/EVs where the incentives are easily into 5 figures (but that'll expire as soon as BMW hits the 200k in sales mark).

Disagree - and I'm not a proponent of either leasing or buying.

The main issue that I disagree with is that leasing is normally a more expensive proposition if you plan to buy the car out. You are paying interest on a residual amount and then financing the remaining. You start over with the paying at the end of the lease as you need to either come up with the buy out number or finance it.

And you have LESS flexibility because getting out of your lease early is normally an expensive thing. Yes, there are exceptions (the early X6s) and some X5s today it sounds like. But those are exceptions - a good one might be the M2 right now, I would suspect that most people who leased that car (not a smart move BTW, residual is close to 50%) could get out and make $ - but that's cause they signed on for a terrible lease. The M2 holds its value much better than 50% over three years(I think the 2016s are just hitting that).

In short, 1) rarely is a lease cheaper and 2) rarely does it provide you more "flexibility" than owning. There are LOTS of pros of leasing, especially on a highly optioned car where you are getting residual on your B&O stereo (something that would normally be worth zero on trade) - but flexibility and cost, especially if you are going to buy the car at the end of the lease are not them.

Originally Posted by CT_M3

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BUT if you run a business, I’d just go lease and call it a day. The numbers change again in that case.

AGHGHG - no. Leasing is NOT always better - even if you own a business. I've run the numbers for my business over the years, sometimes it was, sometimes it was not - but it is a myth to think that just because you are going to run it through the business you should lease. That's just not true.

[PhatLyfe]

The sales number will bite them in the Ass, but they will make up fake number like they got caught recently and pay the fines. Nothing new but their sheer stupidity and dumb ego's.

[GrussGott]

Originally Posted by doug_999

Disagree - and I'm not a proponent of either leasing or buying.

As you point out it's math, not philosophy - for last 12 years over 6 vehicles leasing BMWs has always been cheaper for us. Just the the math of it.

Same with owning a home - for us, for the last 12 years, renting is *much* cheaper than owning (financing) plus we own shares of the REIT that we rent from (which have a 40% return this year!). Home loan rates are cheap right now so maybe if we planned to stay in one place for the next 20 years that could be different (but we don't).

So, really, there's no "disagree" there's only the math.

[f80er]

STFU already about leasing or buying it's beaten to death. Can we get back to the G8x and how fucking dead those forums are? Don't think our resident BMW cheerleader @sedan_clan can even resurrect them.

RIP before the car is even available.

[9M71]

Originally Posted by bimmer pleaser V2

they were right about politics IMO. I used to post in Politics but realized how toxic it was and stopped going there altogether. A few weeks later they shut that craphole down.

But regarding people bitching about the look of new gen M3/4, I think banning is over the top though I understand that at some point whiners get exhaustive. I guess that's just a safe space for people who like the new look.

That is true, really weird not seeing the frequent faces in the politics section anymore in these subforums but agreed it was getting out of hand.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by doug_999

Disagree - and I'm not a proponent of either leasing or buying.

The main issue that I disagree with is that leasing is normally a more expensive proposition if you plan to buy the car out. You are paying interest on a residual amount and then financing the remaining. You start over with the paying at the end of the lease as you need to either come up with the buy out number or finance it.

And you have LESS flexibility because getting out of your lease early is normally an expensive thing. Yes, there are exceptions (the early X6s) and some X5s today it sounds like. But those are exceptions - a good one might be the M2 right now, I would suspect that most people who leased that car (not a smart move BTW, residual is close to 50%) could get out and make $ - but that's cause they signed on for a terrible lease. The M2 holds its value much better than 50% over three years(I think the 2016s are just hitting that).

In short, 1) rarely is a lease cheaper and 2) rarely does it provide you more "flexibility" than owning. There are LOTS of pros of leasing, especially on a highly optioned car where you are getting residual on your B&O stereo (something that would normally be worth zero on trade) - but flexibility and cost, especially if you are going to buy the car at the end of the lease are not them.



AGHGHG - no. Leasing is NOT always better - even if you own a business. I've run the numbers for my business over the years, sometimes it was, sometimes it was not - but it is a myth to think that just because you are going to run it through the business you should lease. That's just not true.

Same here, I am not a proponent of either. I take what I think is the best deal. So far I've ended up purchasing all of my ///Ms. Keeping the offered lease proposals and comparing them to after I owned and sold the car, purchasing has always proven to be the better option for me.

[BzsBimmer]

I dunno... I’m starting to consider getting the AWD G80 M3 when it launches...
Bucky is starting to grown on me...

With wheels, aero, exhaust... this will be a formidable platform. Most cars will only see its rear.
It’s BMW’s Buttaface

[amrazM]

dont speak negatively on this car, moderators on here have been flagging certain posts in an effort to silence members who have a less than loving outlook towards the g8x platform.

[Whyte_Diamonds]

Guess i should add my name to the list of banned posters on the G8x forums. Whats unfortunate is while i've been critical i've still voiced hope. It's not like long time members get a rise out of this. We're all passionate and frustrated of what has come out. It's sad the admins didn't give a heads up before silencing members out of nowhere. : Either way, I'd like to see this in person so i can get a better view of the car. The AWD is what i'll likely target if i can shake that grill or see something unveiled in the aftermarket for front bumpers. Time will tell.

[stein_325i]

I saw the regular 4-series in person the other day and confirmed my opinion that it is ugly, and this is coming from someone who has liked controversial BMW's when they first came out (no waiting, specific colors or adjustments needed!) like the E60, E65LCI, E63, X3, X5, X7.

It also drives as bad as it looks.

This will haunt your dreams!

[BzsBimmer]

^ dunno...
Isn’t that the look these days? All the cool kids are doin it

[Colinv6]

Originally Posted by amrazM

dont speak negatively on this car, moderators on here have been flagging certain posts in an effort to silence members who have a less than loving outlook towards the g8x platform.

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I got a 2 week ban a couple of months back from the G8x bimmerpost site. Couldn’t believe it. Never been banned or even warned from a forum in the last 15 years+ so this didn’t go down particularly well with me.

Never really posted or visited again after that. Forums are for posting your thoughts and discussions either way. I don’t like being dictated to what I can and can’t post. Just to keep the BMW management happy.

[secretanchitman]

Originally Posted by jstein55

I saw the regular 4-series in person the other day and confirmed my opinion that it is ugly, and this is coming from someone who has liked controversial BMW's when they first came out (no waiting, specific colors or adjustments needed!) like the E60, E65LCI, E63, X3, X5, X7.

It also drives as bad as it looks.

This will haunt your dreams!

Honestly I will probably have a nightmare about this!