First time getting a tune

[Aapparition90]

Originally Posted by avex8

Tune = bye bye warranty

Most people use BM3 tune on the forum

Depends what is affected mate. if your putting your drive train out of bmw parameters by tuning of course they would be hesitant to do free repairs for you ? Anyway i got my car serviced the other day and they :
1 - didn't mention the obd tune
2- carried out warranty work on airbag and the horn not working ( I have never even used it so was a surprise to me )
3 - free service etc was all honored as part of the bsi plan.

[Champagnekashi]

Originally Posted by Aapparition90

Depends what is affected mate. if your putting your drive train out of bmw parameters by tuning of course they would be hesitant to do free repairs for you ? Anyway i got my car serviced the other day and they :
1 - didn't mention the obd tune
2- carried out warranty work on airbag and the horn not working ( I have never even used it so was a surprise to me )
3 - free service etc was all honored as part of the bsi plan.

What kind of a tune r u running

[MisterF80M3]

Is BM3 detectable by BMW?

[Aapparition90]

Originally Posted by Champagnekashi

What kind of a tune r u running

Alex@alpinemss

[scoobystas]

Originally Posted by Aapparition90

Alex@alpinemss

ive read good things, Alex can also make it so BMW doesn't see any previous flashes, keeps his flash counter to 0


anyone know if BM3 is able to keep flash counter at 0? Or a private tuner using the Bootmod3 platform?

thanks

[Aapparition90]

I think they all have similiar capabilities. As others have stated if there is a major investigation for warranty work bmw techs will dig up everything if they really want to.

[Champagnekashi]

Is Bmw able to detect jb4 piggyback? I might be leaning towards that since it might be more conservative and a safer option. Any feedback will be appreciated. Thanks

[tom @ eas]

We see the best results with Bootmod3 and ESS both on the dyno and experience hands-on.

[Champagnekashi]

Originally Posted by tom @ eas

We see the best results with Bootmod3 and ESS both on the dyno and experience hands-on.

When it comes to warranty is the jb4 the safer option

[JPOWER]

Hey @Champagnekashi,

I am actually in NJ right across the GWB. we are doing Runs tonight if you want to come out and see for yourself.

[tom @ eas]

Originally Posted by Champagnekashi

When it comes to warranty is the jb4 the safer option

Even JB4s are detectable.

[Champagnekashi]

Originally Posted by JPOWER

Hey @Champagnekashi,

I am actually in NJ right across the GWB. we are doing Runs tonight if you want to come out and see for yourself.

Unfortunately I live upstate New York 5 hours from nyc

[Whatcoloristhat]

Originally Posted by tom @ eas

Even JB4s are detectable.

Lol not like flash tuning cmon

[Whatcoloristhat]

Originally Posted by Champagnekashi

Also has anyone heard for RK tuning in Long Island?

Yes they're legit but they work on a standalone ecu they will not work off competitors platform such as bm3. If you want them to tune it just go to them directly before purchasing anything. They will advise you on your options too.

Jb4 is the most safest option because it doesn't flash your ecu but tricks the sensors to in essence to "overclock" it but you still could get denied warranty work at the dealership if you pull up with jb4 under the hood. If you take it off no worries and no problems with warranty.

The only thing that jb4 sucks at is that simple map2 is severely underpowered compared to equivalent flash tunes like bm3 etc. if you running meth jb4 will put up enough power to be worth it!

Good luck!

[Champagnekashi]

Originally Posted by Whatcoloristhat

Yes they're legit but they work on a standalone ecu they will not work off competitors platform such as bm3. If you want them to tune it just go to their directly before purchasing anything. They will advise you on your options too.

Jb4 is the most safest option because it doesn't flash your ecu but tricks the sensors to in essence to "overclock" it but you still could get denied warranty work at the dealership if you pull up with jb4 under the hood. If you take it off no worries and no problems with warranty.

The only thing that jb4 sucks at is that simple map2 is severely underpowered compared to equivalent flash tunes like bm3 etc. if you running meth jb4 will put up enough power to be worth it!

Good luck!

I'm not looking for much power just want to take full advantage of DP and MP. Also don't want the CEL. Is jb4 a good option for that?

[Whatcoloristhat]

Originally Posted by Champagnekashi

I'm not looking for much power just want to take full advantage of DP and MP. Also don't want the CEL. Is jb4 a good option for that?

Yes but you gonna have to activate map4 or map 5 to on to not get the CEL anymore. And then run map2. If you just want piece of mind and not go crazy with power tuning jb4 is your best bet and you can get it for pennies on here in comparison to its 800 retail price (aim for $300-350)

[FriedPiston]

I've ran JB4 standalone, JB4 with BMS Race and E85 BEFs via MHD, and JB4 with custom E85 BEF via MHD.

This has been a great setup in my experience, but mainly because I already had a JB4 unit installed, and saw no personal benefit in swapping it out for a full flash tune. I'm more than comfortable setting my own tiny map adjustments via Map 6, and going with various fuel mixtures ranging from ACN91, MS109 and full E85.

However, if you're a complete novice and/or don't already have a JB4 installed, my recommendation would be the bootmod3 platform hands down over anything. BM3 offers the most value period, and you'll have access to BM3 exclusive tuners like Paul and Cary.

Anyone who disagrees with BM3 being the best platform is just in denial, because they picked the wrong tuning solution.

The point of engine tuning is to increase performance to a reasonably safe and optimal level. If you're flash tuning to OEM levels only, then there is almost no point in going this route. You're better off leaving the car in stock form.

[G35POPPEDMYCHERRY]

cant you clear the cel with the mscht schelll EVC

[Champagnekashi]

Originally Posted by nars3000

I've ran JB4 standalone, JB4 with BMS Race and E85 BEFs via MHD, and JB4 with custom E85 BEF via MHD.

This has been a great setup in my experience, but mainly because I already had a JB4 unit installed, and saw no personal benefit in swapping it out for a full flash tune. I'm more than comfortable setting my own tiny map adjustments via Map 6, and going with various fuel mixtures ranging from ACN91, MS109 and full E85.

However, if you're a complete novice and/or don't already have a JB4 installed, my recommendation would be the bootmod3 platform hands down over anything. BM3 offers the most value period, and you'll have access to BM3 exclusive tuners like Paul and Cary.

Anyone who disagrees with BM3 being the best platform is just in denial, because they picked the wrong tuning solution.

The point of engine tuning is to increase performance to a reasonably safe and optimal level. If you're flash tuning to OEM levels only, then there is almost no point in going this route. You're better off leaving the car in stock form.

Warranty wise. Which option is more conservative

[FriedPiston]

Originally Posted by Champagnekashi

Warranty wise. Which option is more conservative

piggyback will always be more stealth than flash, especially when physically removed prior to a service visit. But this doesn't mean it can't be detected.

Warranty fraud is frowned upon, however. Seriously, people really need to understand that if powertrain warranty is a concern, then DO NOT tune your car by any means.

[Champagnekashi]

Originally Posted by nars3000

piggyback will always be more stealth than flash, especially when physically removed prior to a service visit. But this doesn't mean it can't be detected.

Warranty fraud is frowned upon, however. Seriously, people really need to understand that if powertrain warranty is a concern, then DO NOT tune your car by any means.

I agree absolutely. But for instance i was to run bm3 stage 2 tune with just DP And MD. And treat my car well. What are the chances of the power train malfunction

[MisterF80M3]

Originally Posted by tom @ eas

Even JB4s are detectable.

Which is a safer option? Tune or piggyback such as JB4 if we want to keep our warranty intact