M3/M4 to Get Steel Driveshafts Beginning Nov. 2017. Sales top 68,000 to date.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by Wah

Nowhere does it say it will reduce weight over the CF version... it says it was designed so the performance of the car remains the same. Yet a few years ago, they made such a big deal about how much better and lighter the CF drive shaft was than steel and how its stiffness allowed improved drivetrain response.

Now, they turn around and say the new steel drive shaft will perform equally to the CF shaft? Did something happen to steel technology over the last three years that tells you this isn't just marketing bullshit?

It will save $0.12 per unit, so obviously it makes sense to enact the change. Why would anyone care that the original carbon fiber part was one of the most marketed aspects of the F8X platfrom ????

[Kevinl]

Nobody seems to understand the real reason behind this and the more worrying reason than cost cutting

They are going to start installing particulate filters in the exhaust like diesels have had since 2007

So the power may also come down also and have one more thing plugging up the exhaust causing more restriction and may also affect tunability since nobody knows what problems will be caused by tuning a car with an exhaust particulate filter

The cfrp driveshaft wont fit with this big particulate filter now residing under the car

[dkhm3]

wow all the kooks are coming out on this thread.

they are re designing the shaft to make it smaller diameter to fit additional emissions equipment with the space, that's what bmw is saying.

the shaft itself has nothing to do with emissions.

bmw is not retrofitting older m3/m4's with the cfrp drive shaft and changing it to steel.

there is no conspiracy here.

[minn19]

Originally Posted by bmrwrld

No way I'm bringing my 9/2014 bulit M4 for that thing. They are going to have chase me down like a wild dog. I'm never taken it to a BMW dealer servive again if I get some type of notice.

I don't think you have anything to worry about.

They aren't going to retrofit any cars with this.

[RowanBuds]

4DRS55

[Gibson6594]

The problem is that most F8x owners care about this type of thing. At least those of us who would respond to this thread. That's what makes it a big deal. Things like a CF Driveshaft, M Buttons, CF Strut Brace, M mirrors, hood.

It's these things that made me want to buy the car. So potential future owners are going to let down by something like this.

The reality is that, with most people, not only will they not notice the difference, they don't know what the fuck a Driveshaft is.

[Thescout13]

Originally Posted by Gibson6594

The reality is that, with most people, not only will they not notice the difference, they don't know what the fuck a Driveshaft is.

+1

[F83]

Back in 2015 there was a thread that asked; "Will this car be a classic"?

Overwhelmingly most said no. Perhaps most still would. I said I believed it would be.

I feel that way because I will still keep my gasoline powered rear wheel drive, 6MT, carbon fiber drive shaft, possible to turn traction control entirely off, tuned without trouble because I don't have yet another emissions filter - car for the long haul.

Because soon you won't be able to buy that.

[minn19]

Originally Posted by dkhm3

there is no conspiracy here.

I think calling it a conspiracy is the wrong term. I'll just leave it at very odd considering the explanation and timing etc.

[R N M]

This is total BS by BMW!

How do you just take away one of the MAIN components that make the M3/M4 special? The CF driveshaft was hyped up like crazy and now out of the blue your no longer making it????

I dont care if you cant notice it driving around town - its just not right thing to do.

My plan was to get F80 M3 early next year with CompPack and this really ruins my plan, so im just a bit upset.....Oh and the next M3 sounds it will be as much fun as a Prius.

[R N M]

Originally Posted by F83

Back in 2015 there was a thread that asked; "Will this car be a classic"?

Overwhelmingly most said no. Perhaps most still would. I said I believed it would be.

I feel that way because I will still keep my gasoline powered rear wheel drive, 6MT, carbon fiber drive shaft, possible to turn traction control entirely off, tuned without trouble because I don't have yet another emissions filter - car for the long haul.

Because soon you won't be able to buy that.

The car that will be classic for sure is the E92 M3.

I drove one last week and OMG there is nothing that BMW makes currently that provides even 50% of the magic that car has. With this news i may just focus on finding the right 2013 E92 and enjoy the last great M car.

[F83]

Originally Posted by R N M

The car that will be classic for sure is the E92 M3.

I drove one last week and OMG there is nothing that BMW makes currently that provides even 50% of the magic that car has. With this news i may just focus on finding the right 2013 E92 and enjoy the last great M car.

Agreed on that being a classic but... room for more than one classic.

[gabriox]

We all know that this is complete Bullocks by BMW. The only true M cars in my opinion is the 1m, M2, M3 E90/92 and M3 E46.

[IB M]

Why not just wait for the NEXT generation M3 to put this filter?? Would have only been another 6 to months until M3 is done production. Then start with the 2019 M4 if you really have to in order to meet new regs.

[damnitBobby]

lol at some of you guys

I'm willing to bet there won't be any discernible difference when driving a new M3/4 with the steel driveshaft.

I know some of you will say it's a matter of principle, but as long as the car still performs to the same standard as the previous year models, I really could care less.

[minn19]

Originally Posted by damnitBobby

lol at some of you guys

I'm willing to bet there won't be any discernible difference when driving a new M3/4 with the steel driveshaft.

I know some of you will say it's a matter of principle, but as long as the car still performs to the same standard as the previous year models, I really could care less.

Do you think they'll reduce the price of the cars with the much cheaper part they are using now? Me neither.

[Invictus]

What a stupid idea.

They hyped the hell out of the CF parts on the M3/M4.

Not cool BMW.

[shivaswrath]

$50 that there will be NVH issues from Nov 2017 on.....!

[classyfast]

Originally Posted by wdeerfield

i wonder how much IND will charge for their retrofit of their new RKP CF driveshaft.

Not sure.....but I bet they'll write an emotional and confusing 3 page intro story about the birth of the CF driveshaft and how the owners passion and dreams were somehow manifested in this new CF driveshaft install from RKP! Such a joke! Lol

[PawnStar]

Originally Posted by F83

EVERY performance category?

0-60 or quarter mile for sure - as long as it's not done back to back four times.

Ring time at Nurburgring? I don't think so.

Don't get me wrong, I like the P100D. I contemplated getting one instead of the F90 M5 I decided to wait for. But it is a straight line machine - a couple of times.

I decided to not get a Dodge Demon also.

Allow me to clarify: Every performance category relevant to average US drivers on average US roads.

Nurburgring ring times and how fast Randy Pobst can
lap Laguna with it are of no relevance to my daily commute. 350 mile fuel-less range and 2.7 sec 0-62 mph are cool as shit though.

[classyfast]

Originally Posted by c63er

Our friend scott will surely tell us we are all stupid and this is actually an upgrade. If that doesn't work he will bring politics into it and blame either migrants, Merkel, eu or some combination there of. I think we were told that electric steering improved fuel efficiency and they had to do it because of epa regs. Many retards here actually believed that. The intelligentsia at bmw marketing now seem more focused on attacking their most dedicated and reliable clients and migrants so who knows what nonsense they come up.

Regardless of how bmw marketing spins this, it of course plays into a much larger trend at bmw of cutting costs to increase profits rather than focus on a solid product, in this case the absolute best drivers sport sedan.

Everything from electric steering, to fwd and platform sharing with Toyota is done with this cost cutting in mind.

We are all as guilty as bmw is, as we have not held Bmws feet to the flame on this issue. Most of us accept all these measures which dull what used to be the pinnacle of sports sedans.

Bmw has already figured out that as long as they add a new pastel color designed for a 4 year old girl, people will accept whatever product is underneath. This is our fault for eating it up. So many purists have long left and the few of us left are drowned out by the barrage of morons who care about what pattern wrap or what shade of gold is on a car.

Speaking about the terrible trends of electric steering, fwd, whoring out of bmw m badges and now platform sharing with Toyota, it is the platform sharing with the z4 that holds the future of bmw as making enthusiast cars.

Without exaggeration, that is the most critical car we will have ever seen in regards to bmw as a maker of enthusiast cars. If enthusiasts do not speak up and your average idiot accepts that car then bmw will have won and we will all have lost. It will be clear we don't care about anything other then looks and the bmw badge. Bmw will be smart to do the ultimate in cost cutting and use shared platforms across the lineup with Toyota. The m3 will ride in a Camry platform etc. you laugh now but if that car has success you will see it, just as you laughed at the idea of turbo in a bmw m, shared engines, fwd, electric steering, m cars with torque converters, etc.

We must all make our opinions and voice heard and not accept this garbage.

Comment of the year! Agree 100%

[lukej]