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12-14-2013, 11:11 AM | #89 | |
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12-14-2013, 03:38 PM | #91 |
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Idiot Club; waiting for M2
I am a member of Green Day's idiot club.
So I'll vote: No. As such I will be waiting to see the M2. My reasoning is that I only went for the M3 because of the V-8. I am old and came from owning 1970s v8s which I liked. Also, not really wanting a car that is bigger, even if slightly than the current M3. As long as it's gonna be a turbo 6. Might as well look at the M2. Again this is just my opinion and I know very little about cars. Most likely will hold on to the e92 until they yank my license for incompetence. Cheers and happy motoring. |
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12-14-2013, 03:52 PM | #92 | |
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Of victory. Tq is the key. I'm sure you are aware that just because a car has more hp and tq on paper it doesn't men's jack when it comes to true street performance . I had major issues keeping power down in first three gears. At times it felt like a handicap.
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12-14-2013, 04:28 PM | #93 |
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I am one of them...lol. I got spanked by my buddy's c63 by 6 car lengths. I have test pipes and NO tune and 20" wheels. He had longtube headers and a tune and 18" wheels. If we were stock vs stock I'm sure he'd beat me by 4 car lengths.
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12-15-2013, 11:20 AM | #96 | ||
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So to come back to our main subject, I think that the new M3/M4(with DCT) will be more in the range of a C63 P31 in terms of straight line performance! I anticipate a 1/4 mile of 11.9-12.0@117-118mph, something that an E9x with bolt-ons is already capable of! So the new, more powerfull and lighter model, should'nt have problems doing! |
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12-24-2013, 07:07 AM | #99 | |
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The M3/4 will be terrific.
For those of you thinking that someone will quickly come out with a tune...lol. The dual Bosch ECU's have proved impossible to fully crack. Which is why the M5/M6s have disappeared from our SoCal Airstrip roll-on events. With a tune or downpipes, M5/6 owners are getting limps at various speeds as the BMW engineers have hidden code in various places which so far have been undetectable. Increases in torque over specified parameters over a certain duration will trigger limp. I have a buddy with a $6K tune and another buddy with $3K downpipes (no tune) and it happens to them at around 130mph. The new M3/4 will have the same ECU and likely with even more sophisticated stop limit protocol and already 18.1psi of boost from the turbos. The best tuners/hackers will need years before a viable tuning product is even available.
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12-24-2013, 12:34 PM | #101 |
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Boost numbers don't mean anything in of themselves. An evo runs 17-20ish psi stock and still makes plenty of power from bolt ons and a tune
Also, the m5 is a much much smaller tuner market than the m3, and development will be much slower as a result. Just look at what is actually available for the e60 m5 vs the e92 m3 and how long everything took to come out for the m5. They will break the ecu and it will make power. People always say the same thing and have been for years and yet tuners always win out eventually. The good thing here is this car is going to rip in stock form. |
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12-25-2013, 05:49 PM | #102 |
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I am mostly curious to see how this extra torque is going to actually get to the ground to create a faster real world car. Otherwise the traction/stability systems will basically just cut power to the wheels, and you will essentially have a less powerful car at lower speeds.
I know an M5 owner who tells me he can feel the DSC kicking in at nearly 100mph to prevent wheel spin !! That is nuts!! Turbo torque is best suited to AWD, especially in a front engine car. If you want forced induction on a RWD car, the progressive power build up of a supercharger is much better to allow the power to progressively get to the ground as speeds increase. Anyway, until we get some real world experiences, we can all keep mentally masterbating.
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12-26-2013, 02:13 PM | #105 | |
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Don't get me wrong, I think it will be a fabulous car overall, and will likely surpass the e9x in most ways, however, getting power properly to the ground will be an issue. This is why even massive hp cars like a 640hp Viper still max out on their 0-60 times in the mid 3's even with 345 rubber.
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Presto! Clean launches and terrific ETs for those of us who are stoplight/drag strip bandits. Maybe a switch to turn it off if you feel like hooning around? Bruce |
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12-28-2013, 11:22 AM | #109 | |
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My E90 has the Benvo Servotronic tune, which has made the very good HPS superb---greater weighting, feedback and feel. Is it a Lotus or Evo--no--but it will be better than the new M/3/4, unless BMW has devised a totally new EPS system that is as good as HPS. I doubt it. |
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I've borrowed an Evo X a few times (regular street use, no actual performance driving with it), and while I thought it seemed like a cool car, I wasn't particularly impressed with the steering. I personally thought it seemed more numb than the E9X M3, but I wasn't surprised by this since I expected some loss of steering feel due to the AWD nature of the vehicle. Don't get me wrong; I'm not suggesting it's bad in any way. I had just never heard this out forward as a consensus opinion. Did I miss something here? |
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