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It's not a simple evolutionary change like in times past...it's a revolutionary change. Hopefully my good friends Terry and Shiv can figure it out. I know them well and just hung out with Terry a few weeks ago. He says he's getting the new M3/4. I wished him luck on the ECU crack. He's gonna need it this time.
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12-11-2013, 08:08 PM | #68 |
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On the spec sheet they are quoting 21,9 sec from 0-1000m for the M4 with DCT that's 21.85s @ –––.– Kph - Porsche 997 GT3 (Auto)territory!
Just a observation
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All I'm saying is that the new ECUs will simply be that much harder than ever before to crack. And when they are cracked, the M3/4's turbos are already out of breath @ 18psi stock.
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Things may not be so cut and dry. That top mount intercooler may quickly become heat soaked in warm climates. I guess we'll just have to withhold judgment until tests results are in.
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Wait so they are both coming at the same time? Not the coupe a year later??
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Agreed, the turbos will definitely need to be swapped for those looking at making 500rwhp. I personally don't see myself tuning the M3 if I get it, the only thing I see myself doing is changing out the downpipes for some cat-less ones just for a better sounding exhaust.
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Manual M4 = 1,497 kg/317 kW = 4.72 kg/kW DCT M4 = X/317 = 4.84 kg/kW Solving for X, 4.84 x 317 = 1,534 kg So, DCT is 37 kg or 81.6 lb heavier than manual tranny. Sounds about right.
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I don't need to do research. I am not talking about easy or not, I am just not being bleak about the car's future tuning potential. I have an NA engine that I bolted a supercharger onto which I love. I also have a factory FI engine in the other car. The S65 with $15k bolt on blower is no where near the category of easy/bang for the buck power that an OEM FI setup like the S55 WILL offer...the time that takes not withstanding. Quote:
My N20 put down 220whp/260tq stock on a load bearing dyno when the car was rated 240/258, meaning on a Dynojet it would have been closer to 235-240(InsideLine put it on a Dynojet and made the same or more as the ATS which claims 272hp).
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This car is def pretty maxed out with 18 psi from the factory. Lets see if it has a top end. If the fact that is a massaged n54 is any indication, it will die out after 5500 rpm. |
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425hp? Only 10 more than current M3, yes over a 100 lb ft of torque, I get it and that is awesome, but was expecting higher hp.
The AMG 2.0l 4 cylinder is cranking out 355hp, why cannot BMW get 460hp out of a 3.0. I am wondering how the M3 will compete with higher hp German cars like MB C63 AMG and Audi's RS. I am also wondering if the M3 will be worth the $30k premium over a 335i. I love the exterior and the interior especially the leather stitching on dash, just that 90hp/70lb ft torque over a ppk equipped 335i makes me question the M3. |
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M4 is 50 pounds lighter than M3, but the 435i is 55 pounds HEAVIER than the 335i? why would BMW do that?
so the M4 got 100 pounds more cut off than the M3, very strange. maybe I read the specs on the F30/32 wrong? M versions should be about $15K more than the non M versions with the same options. Of course lots of options on the 335i are included in the M3 base or part of more expensive packages. My build would probably come in around $80K (so $20K more than my current 335i xdrive M Sport, but would add some things like better leather, more tech options...). I care the most about actual performance numbers, not horsepower or torque numbers, I am sure the new C63 AMG will have crazy torque again and probably hit 0-60 in 3.7 (without performance package, 3.5 with it) but this new M3/4 may be in that range for magazine tests. |
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Can't laugh harder at these people using the LAST thing they can (the sound) to justify their e9x ownership. WOW. Seriously, you're still bringing up sound difference? Get over it. The ///M4 rips your car apart.
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The sound of a car is one of the more emotional components of it. Don't downplay this. The v8 e9x M3 definitely has it acoustically. The rest will be decided later, but its not always about pure speed, at least 95% of the time.
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Those that can not keep their right foot out of the throttle are going to be buying rear tires a lot. This car will probably spin it tires as much as a Merc C63 with the torque it is producing. Merc can't seem to get their rear wheels hooked up easily. Hopefully the chassis engineers at BMW have solved that problem with the new M's.
Also, fuel tank capacity appears to have gone down to 15.8 gal. I'm glad to see the mpg figure go up, but I was hoping for a slightly larger tank than the E92, perhaps 17 - 17.5 gal. Overall, should be a stunning car to drive and look forward to their arrival. |
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