Anyone else get banned from the G8X section for making fun of its looks?

[swagon]

Originally Posted by Tecnniqe

Yeah I figured I'd get told to download something and let him remote pilot it.

He is usually very quick to respond to email but I'm not in a hurry either way.
Just want to make my M the best M it can be while maintaining some OEM comfort and power levels.

Nothing like OEM+ my guy

I'd do the full CS + MP HAS retrofit if I had EDC from factory

[Tecnniqe]

Originally Posted by swagon

Nothing like OEM+ my guy

I'd do the full CS + MP HAS retrofit if I had EDC from factory

Already got everything set up for Friday it seems. Scheduling the time now as timezones are iffy!
Alex will refund the shipping as it was indeed the cable it seems!

Can't wait, feels like christmas!

[02M3ForMe]

Originally Posted by CT_M3

Hey guys, Cammisa's review on the G8x is out. Really enjoyable as I watch it. Goes into all the generations of M.

Enjoy!

Originally Posted by 02M3ForMe

Looks aside, I challenge any F8x owner to drive the G8x hard on their favorite backroad and not have immediate thoughts of trading up. The G8x gives you M2C driving dynamics with M4 power and all of the bells and whistles (great interior, HUD, better sound system, bigger fuel tank, much better street presence, full PDC/all the exterior cameras). If the grilles don't bother you, upgrading to the G8x is the easiest decision you'll make as an M enthusiast. Unlike the E46 or E9x, there's no unique draw of the F8x that slows down the decision to make the switch.

No, it doesn't drive heavy, soft, or do any other negative thing that those skipping this generation seem to hope.

The G8x is meaningfully better than the F8x, as you would expect. As far as driving dynamics are concerned, it's Playstation 5 and the older cars are Playstation 3 (F80/82) or 4 (M2C).

Originally Posted by 02M3ForMe

In a few months to a year when cars are plentiful and proper test drives are much easier to come by, some of you are going to look back on some of these "M5" posts and cherry-picked YouTube reviews and say, "WTF was that guy talking about?"

Originally Posted by 02M3ForMe

One day, you'll stumble into a showroom out of boredom and have the keys thrown at you and, after 20-30 minutes behind the wheel, think to yourself, "Well, the grille isn't THAT bad ..."

Personally, I posted this back in September in the launch thread.

I'm just you 2 years in the future.

[CT_M3]

Just so you understand where people like me stand:
1) I think its expected that overall, on measurable metrics, the car should perform better

Will this convince me to upgrade? No.
1) Personally against the new tech layout; its fussy and overdone. I've spent time in the new gen 3 series and they are just distractions (tech wise)
2) Still dimension wise, too big a car for me. A fast and agile boat, but still a boat.
3) The looks? Enough said.

I admire your deep seated defense of the car. Enjoy it in good health, but it's not the car that I'm lookin for.

[02M3ForMe]

I'll bring back another oldie but goodie.

Originally Posted by 02M3ForMe

No one's trying to convince you. Personally, I couldn't care less if you bought one or set fire to printouts of the launch images every night.

[fiveohwblow]

Originally Posted by 02M3ForMe

If your sole goal in life was to be in complete agreement with Jason Cammisa, well then friend, you've made it

[Tecnniqe]

Originally Posted by fiveohwblow

If your sole goal in life was to be in complete agreement with Jason Cammisa, well then friend, you've made it

#LifeGoals

[02M3ForMe]

Originally Posted by fiveohwblow

If your sole goal in life was to be in complete agreement with Jason Cammisa, well then friend, you've made it

Achievement unlocked.

And yes, I'm pleased my opinion matches that of the guy in that exceptionally well done video.

[ash4390]

Originally Posted by 02M3ForMe

Still not a looker though

Looks to be an amazing performer. Would like the opportunity to drive one, as long as it's late at night... with tinted front windows, and nobody else around.

[RugbyBro]

Saw another G8X in person!

But seriously… can we all collectively agree to kill this color already? I swear my vision gets worse every time I see it on any car

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by dialogical

"The G80 combines the livability of the M5 with all the things the M3 should be."

"On track, without question, this is the best M3 ever made."

Very good overview - covers the pros and cons well.

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

This seems to be the sentiment across the reviews.

Exactly why BMW can go F themselves. They have built the most capable M3, but had to whore it out to try and make their EV design language seem mainstream. It is so ugly to point I can’t purchase it, no matter how good it is. I have owned every generation besides E30, some twice. My only hope for a new BMW is the G87 M2.

[six75LT]

Originally Posted by ash4390

Still not a looker though

Looks to be an amazing performer. Would like the opportunity to drive one, as long as it's late at night... with tinted front windows, and nobody else around.

* provided the car is wrapped in vantablack (including the lights)

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by swagon

Cammisa did a pod last week and discussed the M3 episode in it. Both old cars were broken during filming, throttle cable and ABS

I like how Cammisa said the new M4 was so f*cking ugly they decided not to film it. They went with the M3 for driving shots.

Interesting how he describes the S58 as laggy and the torque converter auto hides the lag, while the lag shows itself with the manual.

[kyrix1st]

A lot of the "grip feel" you are finding can be attributed to latest tire technology, as well as low-to-the-ground bucket seats if you have them. Good chunks of lap times are tire and seat dependent. On a track, some of us are finding the comp spec is actually slower than F80 due to weight and transmission.

Originally Posted by 02M3ForMe

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by hellrotm

Exactly why BMW can go F themselves. They have built the most capable M3, but had to whore it out to try and make their EV design language seem mainstream. It is so ugly to point I can't purchase it, no matter how good it is. I have owned every generation besides E30, some twice. My only hope for a new BMW is the G87 M2.

Well people come and go every iteration. That's part of the cycle.

[FormulaMMM]

Originally Posted by CT_M3

Hey guys, Cammisa's review on the G8x is out. Really enjoyable as I watch it. Goes into all the generations of M.

Enjoy!

Man that old DTM footage is $. Quality video.

Base with the faster lap time. Do we have any real world weight #'s for base vs. comp?

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by kyrix1st

A lot of the "grip feel" you are finding can be attributed to latest tire technology, as well as low-to-the-ground bucket seats if you have them. Good chunks of lap times are tire and seat dependent. On a track, some of us are finding the comp spec is actually slower than F80 due to weight and transmission.

Plus suspension geometry, wider track, revised shock dampening, bracing, etc. It's not just tires. This is the same type of poor rationale E9X 335i owners used in relation to the E46 M3 to justify why something was or wasn't the case. Sure, the tires are tuned/developed for the G8X to take advantage of all of the tweaks made to the new car (…just as they were for the F8X, E9X, etc.), but it's not just tires.

[02M3ForMe]

Originally Posted by kyrix1st

A lot of the "grip feel" you are finding can be attributed to latest tire technology, as well as low-to-the-ground bucket seats if you have them. Good chunks of lap times are tire and seat dependent. On a track, some of us are finding the comp spec is actually slower than F80 due to weight and transmission.

I'm sure some of the difference is tires (I have PZero on mine, though). Randy Pobst is an accomplished driver and his exact quote is, "[The G80] is the best handling BMW I've driven in 10 years." He also made it clear what he thought of the F8x. I'm pretty sure he can tell whether it's just tires and seats that make up the difference.

Non-CS F8x cars are not Sport Cup 2s away from matching the G8x.

[GrussGott]

Originally Posted by Arcades

They could be hiding the G8x based on looks and feedback, they could have sold them. I prefer not to judge because it doesn't do us any good at the moment but one thing I do know is, it does depend on the location when it comes to dealerships for BMW.

While I have friends and family at New Century, I also know their prices are generally a tad bit higher compared to a place like Monrovia BMW, BMW Riverside and Irvine BMW.

Yeah, and in fairness to Sedan_Clan's point both things can be true: dealerships talking ADMs *AND* emailing out under-MSRP offers, even on cars they don't have.

Anec-data time!
Years back when the Audi Allroad first came out, we hadn't heard of it but were in the dealership for service work talking to the head of sales we were friendly with ... in the middle of the showroom was the new Allroad, roped off, with an ADM sign on it. Of course I couldn't resist the "whatthefuck is THAT!"

Long story short, I check it out, love it, but ADMs were unheard of then and my wife immediately shot it down - well the sales guy said, "Oh that's just for people who come in looking for it or call about it ... I can deal with you guys..."

I don't remember what price we walked out with but it wasn't any worse than the A6 we traded in for it.

And ANOTHER!
Six months ago I emailed a dealership an offer on a 45e, I get an email the next day saying the best they can do is 3% their dealership policy max because market, demand, blah blah blah. Two hours later I get ANOTHER email from a DIFFERENT sales person offering 6% off.


Point being, wouldn't be odd at all for a single dealership to offer drastically different prices, i.e., to have the inquiry price vs ad hoc price or for separate sales people at the same dealership to offer different prices depending on where their individual sales numbers are.

We tend to think of dealership as monoliths when really they're just a bunch of mercenaries at the same location.

[GrussGott]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

we found getting two new cars at almost the same time was a bit much and takes away some of the appreciation of each car.

First World problems are still problems amiright??

[GrussGott]

Originally Posted by 02M3ForMe

[buncha self quotes for some reason]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Well people come and go every iteration. That's part of the cycle.

And if 2 people show up, but 20,000 people go, well ... it'll be a problem.

None of us will be surprised if, next year, van Hooydonk & Dukec are spending lots of time with family.

Seriously - would you be surprised? If your answer is "no" then even you aren't that confident in this design experiment. (we know BMW isn't due to the X3m refresh).


And TBH, here's what I've learned from BMW's design debacle:

I used to sport drive (not track) every week (quit for covid), frequently running against others, and did so for a decade - those were 80% of my M4 miles - timing using apps, but not super accurate. In short more happy fun time than serious track stuff like maybe CanAutM3 or minn19, but still, performance was / is important.

Well, as it turns out, performance is about 30% and looks about 70% - because I can still have just as much (if not more) fun in an E92 which is slower than my F8x - the key is I LOVE walking up to those cars ... they LOOK fast, they look badass, and my fun starts THERE.

Before I ever start the car, I'm grinning ear-to-ear ... when I walk out of the grocery store I'm grinning ear-to-ear ... when I drive to work, when I stop at the post office, when I get takeout, when make up an excuse to go somewhere just so I can see the car ... and every time I fight the urge to look back ... I fucking LOVE that.

With the G8x I'd be fearful to look at it:
To see it's jumbled chaotic lines, its oversized beaver face, its prolapsed anus, its honda accord profile, its charger hood, its weird double toyota trunk line ... I'm just not gonna pay for something I hate to look at, especially when there are so many better options.

So, TBH (1.) I'm vain (70%), and (2.) I care more about fun than performance.


I mean, I never want to pay for a sports car where 99.9% of people say what I'm thinking, "oh yeah, that modded Camry looks WAY better"

[clutchdj]

Im consistently perplexed when I look at it (the G80). You made some valid points.